[Sean Walsh]

This will play to about 400yds rather than the 445 mentioned in Jeremy's article. Other than that he gives a better description than I could.
 
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/opinionglenn3.html


The view from the tee.  Left half of fairway obscured by a small ridge.

From on top of the ridge. The coffins are the mounds centre.

From memory I think this was taken from the back of the last coffin.

This goes a little way to showing the false front to the green.  Also note the rough, a pity it's not fairway for the event (At least it is very short and unthreatening).

[Jeremy_Glenn.]

Sean,

I'm really enjoying seeing ground pictures of the Reverse Old Course.  When doing my essay, I had little access to those views and sightlines.  It certainly makes the Reverse Old Course that I had imagined come to life!

Keep it up.  I look forward to the remaining holes.

Cheers,

J.

PS Now I know what old directors feel like when Hollywood does a remake of an old movie.... Has it been that long? ;-)

[Bill_McBride]

Jeremy, like the others who are playing, I am really excited about the Reverse Old Course.  I got excited in July 2005 sitting by the 14th green, looking down toward Hell Bunker and seeing that nice bunker set into the hill in the opposite direction.....  it could only be in play in the reverse direction!

I've been ruminating over your article ever since.  Great work!  

My question is this:

Has anyone from the Links Trust ever talked to you about your article, or your proposed routing and changes that would be helpful to reverse play?

I suspect that play in the loop will be as chaotic as you suggest if they don't follow your advice.

I may take a hard hat!  

Thanks again for writing that article, which might be the best opinion piece ever posted on GCA.com.

[Sean Walsh]

Bill,

If at the loop they are using tees as suggested in Jeremy's article (as I expect they will) then I don't think that area will be all that bad.  I'd have more concern on the 17th, 13th and 14th.  On these holes the ball will be coming from a blind shot towards you (from the 2nd, 5th and 6th). Also any caddies in the groups will be less used to receivng "incoming" from these strange directions.

Also depending on what green they use for which hole at 5/13 then this could be a good place for the medical tent.

[Bill_McBride]

Bill,

If at the loop they are using tees as suggested in Jeremy's article (as I expect they will) then I don't think that area will be all that bad.  I'd have more concern on the 17th, 13th and 14th.  On these holes the ball will be coming from a blind shot towards you (from the 2nd, 5th and 6th). Also any caddies in the groups will be less used to receivng "incoming" from these strange directions.

Also depending on what green they use for which hole at 5/13 then this could be a good place for the medical tent.

Unless the reverse 5th plays to a way left #13 pin, it could be deadly............

[Sean Walsh]

Although I know safety will probably play a large role in the decision I think 5/13 are both better holes if they keep to a true reverse routing.  

[Jeremy_Glenn.]

Bill,

No actually, the Links Trust never got in touch with me.

I actually sent them an email on two occasions with explaining to them what I had done, with a link to the Opinion piece.  But I never got a reply...

Oh well.  

[James Bennett]

Bill,

If at the loop they are using tees as suggested in Jeremy's article (as I expect they will) then I don't think that area will be all that bad.  I'd have more concern on the 17th, 13th and 14th.  On these holes the ball will be coming from a blind shot towards you (from the 2nd, 5th and 6th). Also any caddies in the groups will be less used to receivng "incoming" from these strange directions.

Also depending on what green they use for which hole at 5/13 then this could be a good place for the medical tent.

Sean (and others)

what is the right way to refer to the Reverse Old Course holes?  I assume #2 is the second hole played, ie from near #17 green to #16 green.  Is this correct?

My head is in a spin trying to work out which is 17/13/14 and how they interact with 2/5/6.  I haven't been so confused since 'Who's on first' (abbot and costello).

James B

[Sean Walsh]

I have tried to keep to referring to the Reverse holes.  If I have referred to The Old Course I've used Jeremy's sobriquet "The Original".

[James Bennett]

OK.  so, the green on the reverse will be the complement to the number 18 for the hole being played.

For example, the 2nd will play to the 16th.

And the 9th will play to the 9th

And the 13th will play to the 5th.

And the 18th will play to the, gosh, 18th


For the teeing area, the tee will be the complement to the number 20 for the hole being played (well, sort of).

For example, the 2nd will play from (near) the 18th tee.

The 10th will play from the 10th tee,

The 13th will play from the 7th tee.

And the 18th will play from the, gosh, 2nd tee.

Obviously, we start at the first tee - the exception proves the rule  

Now I am less confused.

James B

[Bill_McBride]

OK.  so, the green on the reverse will be the complement to the number 18 for the hole being played.

For example, the 2nd will play to the 16th.

And the 9th will play to the 9th

And the 13th will play to the 5th.

And the 18th will play to the, gosh, 18th


For the teeing area, the tee will be the complement to the number 20 for the hole being played (well, sort of).

For example, the 2nd will play from (near) the 18th tee.

The 10th will play from the 10th tee,

The 13th will play from the 7th tee.

And the 18th will play from the, gosh, 2nd tee.

Obviously, we start at the first tee - the exception proves the rule  

Now I am less confused.

James B

Costello: Well then who's on first?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaKjRyPjVY

[James Bennett]

Ah Bill, that would be the #17 green (it adds up to 18).

[Adrian_Stiff]

Bill,

If at the loop they are using tees as suggested in Jeremy's article (as I expect they will) then I don't think that area will be all that bad.  I'd have more concern on the 17th, 13th and 14th.  On these holes the ball will be coming from a blind shot towards you (from the 2nd, 5th and 6th). Also any caddies in the groups will be less used to receivng "incoming" from these strange directions.

Also depending on what green they use for which hole at 5/13 then this could be a good place for the medical tent.

I think the loop goes(7) 13th tee to 11 green ( 12th tee to 10th green (9) 11th tee'ish to 9th green (10) 10th tee to 8th green (11) 9th tee;ish to 7th green (12) in front of 7th green to 6th green... this is a weak hole now since its a 180 yard shot off the tee then a blind loft over the gorse. it wil be interesting to see the comments after you all play, I am suspecting you will love some holes but think others could be made better , the really good holes IMO are 1,5, 7 & 14.  Love these pics Sean is posting.

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