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Tommy_Naccarato

O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« on: July 13, 2006, 04:42:52 PM »
Before you look at the images, do remember that these were taken during the winter in dormant conditions plus many of the natural wildflowers weren't exposing themselves on the hills. Also, because this is right smack dabin the middle of a flourishing community in southern O.C. the high-transmission lines that come into view, not exactlly the most glamorous thing to look at. But then again, this isn't Fishers Island!

The day I played Arroyo Trabuco, the conditioning was everything this website encompasses as great fast & firm conditions with the exception that the greens which were still in recovery from aeriation, just a tad bit sticky. Other then that it felt great to play such a fun course on an absolutely typical SoCal winter day. The course is one that encompasses many fun and challenging golf shots, as well as allows one to properly write about just how fun golf can be on courses like it without insulting the ditch diggers and pipe layers of the world. (F/U Joe Rigo)

I can heartily suggest AT. It's a fun course, maybe not the most defining and certainly not one of the best in the nation--which is just fine by me! For most in this group, I have seen far harder courses to walk, but I wouldn't attempt it on a summer day like today.

I think we need a lot more AT's in the world!

Casey if you should be reading this, you did an excellent job here and the same goes to my great friend and ardent student of the art, Josh Taylor who oversaw the Tom Lehman side of things.

With that, Arroyo Trabuco for those who haven't seen it...
The tee from the par 4, 2nd

And once your out there, the Approach

This is the approach for the short and challenging 6th, an uphill drivable par 4 for most. I love these "Spit and a Chip"-type golf holes, and think the Sport needs more of them at least once during a round if it can be afforded. If the tee shot is played to the left, this is your next challenge. If you play it to the right, well the image of the 6th green will show what your up against. It's a really fun hole.


The tee shot for the par 5, 7th and following that, the approach from the far left side.


This is the Approach into the fun and quirky 10th. One of the most quirky/fun holes I have ever experienced in the architectural dearthland of Orange County.

The tee shot from the really tough, downhill and into the prevailing wind 12th, a somewhat conventional hole for hillside golf but it works.

And speaking of conventional, what would any round in OC be without the usual par 3 over water?!?!? Of course, this is acceptable on a property and area as beautiful as the Trabuco Hills. It brings back memories of what the entire Irvine Ranch area was once like before development infected it like a cancer. Arroyo Trabuco being a somewhat positive from this affliction.

The tee at the 18th. I would like to add that the entire right side comes into play in a fun and quirky way. If you should push a drive into that earthen wall, the ball will bounce off of it, and I'm told this happens a lot when people block themselve sout on the left side thanks to the lake. While it's a conventional golf hole, I think it works fine, with a really good approach to a lovely green setting, I'llbe the first to admit that when I visited the course when it was being built, I didn't think much of it, thus my surprise on just how much fun it turned out.


Tom Huckaby

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 04:50:44 PM »
Tommy - cool pics - but there's a thread on this course just dredged back up, bottom of page one as I type this.  In any case, here's what I said in that thread:


I played it a few months ago... it was very firm and fast, very fun.  It is on a somewhat severe site, but not nearly as bad as some other Casey O. courses.  Overall it is pretty fun.  Yes it would be a quite difficult walk.


I too have seen far harder courses to walk, sadly.  I suppose this one could be done, and I'd expect the militant walkers to definitely give it a try.  Me, I'd ride there every time.  I like to walk but it doesn't define the game for me and I have no points to prove.  The course does have some pretty large elevation change and there are some significant jaunts from green to tee.

That being said, it did play firm and fast a few months ago and that was after some pretty significant rain.  So it is very fun... we do need more courses like this without a doubt.

TH
« Last Edit: July 13, 2006, 04:52:09 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 05:35:39 PM »

 Yes it would be a quite difficult walk.


I too have seen far harder courses to walk, sadly.  I suppose this one could be done, and I'd expect the militant walkers to definitely give it a try.  Me, I'd ride there every time.  I like to walk but it doesn't define the game for me and I have no points to prove.  The course does have some pretty large elevation change and there are some significant jaunts from green to tee.


Tom,
They went to great length at AT to make the green to tee walk a short distance. There is only one hole which there is a walk of any remotely questionable length and that would be between #13 & 14, and it's for the most part downhill the entire length. Personally, I think the only really holes that could be remotely strenious would be the 6th & the 8th. The 10th would be a sort of down from the tee and slightly uphill walk. The rest for the most part is lee and then downhill till you get to the 15th which is alongside the creek and then back in. Maybe your seeing something different then I am, but I didn't think it looked all that bad.

In all, I think it looks like a lot harder then it looks.....on a winter day, but is as hard as it looks on a summer day.

Tom Huckaby

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 05:43:00 PM »
Tommy - that's cool, I'll take your word for it - I'm going on memory here and that is failing rapidly as the years advance.  

When I was there it was sorta hot and humid and I do recall feeling glad we rode.

But you have the specifics far better than I do!

TH

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 05:49:23 PM »
Tom, Being all too familiar with the fast & fleeting memory thing, I understand competely!

But look at it this way, we both could be as thorough as Joe Rigo, and that would be reason enough to look into Alzheimer's treatments!

Tom Huckaby

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 05:52:20 PM »
Tom, Being all too familiar with the fast & fleeting memory thing, I understand competely!

But look at it this way, we both could be as thorough as Joe Rigo, and that would be reason enough to look into Alzheimer's treatments!

Audible yuks.  Well done, my friend.

BTW we did have a good time at AT for sure... in fact one of my friends shot his career-best round there, a 79 that made me work HARD on 18 to equal.  This from a 14 handicap who's never come within 10 shots of me any other time.  And it's interesting, he did it by playing very conservatively... hitting lots of irons off of tees and playing away from the hazards.  Of course silly ole I'm here just once and can't resist the temptation me was trying to drive greens all day, especially after succeeding at such and making a deuce on 6.  Oh I paid the price later, oh yes I did... I'd say the course is very fun in that respect - it's a great lesson on temptation.

TH

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006, 06:02:02 PM »
Funny and interesting that you should mention that. I shot an 80 there the day I played, and I'm a 14.4. I didn't feeel like I was being given a good score either. Lots of things that could go wrong, but plenty of width to make up for the difference. the bunker work is mild be well placed, and it really proves this on #15 where yo can really get into trouble if you play the wrong shot on the right side. I actually pulled it off and came away with par--luckily...

There is little doubt in my mind that it's an excellent match play course and with that fact, your challenged!

Tom Huckaby

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006, 06:05:09 PM »
Tommy - there is little doubt you would kick my ass sideways.  Good god I'd have to give you 10-12 shots.  I'd sneak off and secretly bet on you.

 ;D

But it is a GREAT match play course - good call!  My friend who shot the 79 obviously took me to the shed, and rightly so... he played smart, I played dumb.  He played to his strengths, I played to ego.  And you're right - the course surely ain't easy - I actually played pretty well but ended up well above my handicap.  It just rewards thoughtful play.... which to me is a great thing.

Oh yes, lots of lessons to be learned there.


Thomas_Brown

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 08:24:30 PM »
I agree w/ the F&F aspects of the ground game.It was in marvelous shape when I played it in March.

Am I the only one who thought the shoehorn routing of 17 & 18 were awkward and a letdown?

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:O'Callaghan & Lehman's Arroyo Trabuco
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2006, 02:29:00 AM »
I actually thought it was sort of neat and quirky in a way.

We should turn this thread into one for Tom's only. So far that's the way it's been! :)

Tom Paul, Where are you?

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