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Kyle Harris

Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« on: February 04, 2006, 11:50:35 AM »
What golf courses follow those classic song structures?

What courses are the Sonatas? A piece done in movements (3 for Baroque or Classic music)... one movement an upbeat introduction, the middle a slower more morose piece and the last a heavier quick piece.

Which are the Fugues? Playing on a central theme throughout the land that builds and tweaks that theme to one climactic ending...

Which are the Canons? Similar to the fugue but simpler and even redundant... built on the same backbone but increasingly complex.

What are the Rhapsodies? A collection of musical themes not following one archetype, but with similar themes reprised and spread throughout.

ed_getka

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2006, 01:44:27 PM »
Kyle,
    Thats too much for my simple mind, but thanks for the definitions. What examples would you give?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2006, 01:44:45 PM by ed_getka »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2006, 02:59:37 PM »
I'm hoping Mark Rowlinson will sing out hear (sic).


When I get my photos in order I want to post about a little know course by Braid, Hainault Forrest (Lower).

It finishes with 3 shortish par 4's that are all interesting but always leave you  with a feeling that this stretch isn't upto the standard of what came before.  A term I have previously used to describe them is the Coda.


Similarly holes 1 to 5 are good but not as good as what is yet to come.  The Overture.


But what to call the excellent middle section?  A Decahedron Fandango?

"The dance begins slowly and tenderly, the rhythm marked by the clack of castanets, snapping of fingers, and stomping of feet. The speed gradually increases to a whirl of exhilaration. There is a sudden pause in the music toward the end of each figure when the dancers stand rigid in the attitude caught by the music. They move again only when the music is resumed."

(Anyone started a psued's corner on here? ::))
« Last Edit: February 04, 2006, 04:52:06 PM by Tony Muldoon »
Let's make GCA grate again!

RJ_Daley

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2006, 03:00:53 PM »
enter Mr. Rowlinson... ;D 8)

Certain passages from Aaron Copeland music are often in my mind when enjoying great golf courses.  But, I'm way too music illiterate to start rattling off on this subject.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2006, 03:01:08 PM by RJ_Daley »
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Kyle Harris

Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2006, 03:04:16 PM »
RJ,

What Copeland pieces? More than likely closest to the Rhapsody form.  ;D

RJ_Daley

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2006, 03:33:41 PM »
Kyle, "Fanfare for the Common Man" at sunrise, approaching Sand Hills first tee.  Hoedown, anytime I'm traipsing across Wild Horse.
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Glenn Spencer

Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2006, 05:56:32 PM »
Sonatas- Canterbury

Canons- Broadmoor CC in Indiana, NCR South, Camargo
Garden City

Tim Bert

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2006, 09:35:52 PM »
In my mind Bandon Trails is a Sonata.

The first five holes are upbeat, and I think the best on the property.  It's a great start to a good course.  The middle stretch slows down, and I didn't find most of those holes to be very memorable.  The last stretch, starting at 14 is fast and furious as you are faced with the toughest stretch of holes and the wind is starting to whip (if you began your round early in the morning.)

1-5, 15-18 would be one hell of a nine hole course!

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 04:18:16 PM »
Dear me!  You expect a scholarly answer!

I'll refer you back to a conversation I had with Mike Keiser in Chicago a little over a year ago.  He came to our pre-dinner get-together with a paper which basically set out the options for canons, mirror-image canons and so on.  It sounds very academic, but I was able to point him to lots of musical examples from Machaut to Mozart and contemporary music.  We had a fruitful conversation, during which, I think, he was looking for a justification for a reversible course.  My musical answer was that in musical terms the listener should not be aware of it.

The analyst can, if he/she searches hard enough, find these things, but the success of the music depends upon its being satisfactory in its own way.  It may be marvellous that you have written a fugue on the notes A BAD EGG, as it is easily possibly to do, but is it a good piece of music in its own right?

This is where the GCA analogy begins to make sense.  Every designer can be given A BAD EGG with which to work.  Only a few make a work of lasting musical enjoyment out of that theme.

It really doesn't matter what musical form we take.  That is only - in golfing terms - a few givens:18 holes, links/heath/parkland/highland etc etc. The structure is largely given to you.  What you do with it is the genius.  There are great symphonies, sonatas, rhapsodies, canons, etc etc.  The form is largely immaterial.  What matters is what you do with it.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2006, 04:20:20 PM by Mark_Rowlinson »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Rhapsody, Sonata, Fugue, or Canon?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 04:25:58 PM »
That was the musical answer.  Take no notice of it!

What matters is that a golf course makes you make these associations.  I said, only the other day, that switching my mobile phone off produces tones which send me onto the golf course humming a bit of the first movement of the Schubert Octet.  I don't care whether you have ever heard the piece, ever will, or will ever like it.  What I do care about is that when you are standing on the tee at X, or have just birdied Y, or just get the chance to play Z for the only time in your life that there is some musical moment in your life which gives you as much pleasure or thrill.  

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