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Jason Blasberg

Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« on: December 23, 2005, 09:50:57 AM »
Just so everyone here didn't think I'm a total tree hugging, granola eating, berkinstock wearing hippie, with a renewable subscription to High Times magazine, I offer the following:

Jari's photos of winter wonderland got me thinking of some recent local news . . . .

Imagine a land where during winter the only open, non-developed space where snow covered vistas can be seen (like those of Jari's home course in Finland) are golf courses.  Now get in your time machine and go to the year 2020, the place, Long Island, New York.  

Towns here are starting to block the housing development of certain golf courses to preserve them as "open-space," intending to keep them golf courses.  

I find this turn about by local towns a fine example of chameleonic self interest.  In the past, it seemed that the only interest towns had in golf courses were either destroying classic gems (ala Timber Point) and exploiting them as a municipal source of revenue or blocking the development of private facilities entirely to protect some snail darter or something.  Now, however, town officials and other community activist groups (the members of some just happen to own real estate next to the courses slated for development) are rallying around keeping some golf courses, golf courses.  I've pasted the link below and also an excerpt of most of the article for your review.  

I find it sad that local governments and activist groups didn't see the value of golf courses as open space sooner.  Now it seems like some of them are starting to get it, and others don't want to lose their golf course views from their backyards.  This tension will only intensify over the next decade as LI population growth continues and the demand for housing follows.    


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-ligold194557983dec19,0,7126242.story


TOWN’S DRIVE TO KEEP GREENS GREEN

BY CYNTHIA DANIELS
STAFF WRITER

December 19, 2005

Gone are the days when golf courses served as pristine greens for sport and sport alone. Now, the parcels stand as lands ripe for subdivision.

And the potential sale of eight privately owned golf courses in the Town of Huntington is prompting officials to consider a six-month moratorium on developing the properties.

"Besides public tracts of lands and public parks, golf courses constitute the largest category of open space in our town," said town Councilman Mark Cuthbertson, who last week offered a resolution to hold a public hearing. "And for many years, we have taken for granted that they would always be golf courses."

The town's complacency ended in October when the Cold Spring Country Club was put on the block.

"That's their right," Cuthbertson said. "But it's also our right, as a town, to put in regulations that are going to seek to preserve land."

Sale of the 169-acre property - once part of the estate owned by financier and art collector Otto Kahn - could fetch $68 million. But its 215 members have yet to commit to a buyer.

But for the club's neighbors, the proposed sale offers frightening possibilities: development and the disappearance of rolling hills and towering trees.

"It's an integral part of our neighborhood," said Gayle Snyder, chairwoman of the Cold Spring Hills Civic Association Inc., whose 300-home community surrounds the course. "We have an opportunity to protect this land and we have the opportunity now - we may not in 10 years."

There are 10 golf courses within the town, eight of which are privately owned and constitute nearly 900 acres of open land. The majority of those 900 acres, town officials say, are zoned residential and contain environmentally sensitive areas, like wetlands and steep slopes.

The moratorium would allow the town to perform a study of whether the proposed plan for development fits the neighborhood character, put together a survey, and "try to tailor any plans necessary for each of the courses with those given communities," Supervisor Frank Petrone said.

For now, builders and developers don't oppose a six-month halt. But "six months turns into six more months," said Bram Weber, a partner at Weber Law Group Llp in Melville, which specializes in land use and commercial real estate.

Weber's client, Huntington Hills Associates Llc, has been working with the town's planning board for the past year to subdivide the 41-acre Ryder Avenue Golf Course in Dix Hills. Weber said he's analyzing the proposed legislation to see how it applies to the project.

"We've seen it in town after town, where they tell you, 'What's the big deal? It's only six months.' And 2 1/2 years later, they wonder why there are lawsuits against them and an uproar," said Lennard Axinn, a partner in Island Estates, a Melville-based real estate development firm. "Would they guarantee there won't be an extension?"

Huntington officials say they will certainly try. A public hearing on the resolution has been scheduled for Jan. 10 at 7 p.m.

If approved, the town should be prepared to hire a planning consultant or dedicate one staff member to complete an in-depth analysis in six months, said Eric Alexander, executive director of Vision Long Island, a smart-growth planning organization.

"Usually, towns act when there's a crisis," Alexander said. "And sometimes good planning decisions can arise - there's that hope here." . . .
Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2005, 11:10:01 AM »
Jason

Many local governments are now using their power of eminent domain to save existing golf courses from development. The most recent example is Reading CC in PA.The city has hired Caspar Golf and will operate it as a public course, keeping it as open space and saving it from townhouses.There was a recent thread on this here at GCA.

Wasn't there talk of a 6th course at Bethpage? I remember a few years ago an environmental group shot that down. That would have been a prized project for an architect.

Steve
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Kelly Blake Moran

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2005, 11:19:08 AM »
"It's an integral part of our neighborhood," said Gayle Snyder, chairwoman of the Cold Spring Hills Civic Association Inc., whose 300-home community surrounds the course. "We have an opportunity to protect this land and we have the opportunity now - we may not in 10 years."

It is so ironic to see this happening having been involved in new projects and proposing new golf courses in communities that think we will make the worst neighbors. It is almost laughable to now watch these scenarios unfold and hear the remarks from the local officials and civic organizations.

SL_Solow

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Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2005, 12:03:54 PM »
This is a difficult issue for many communities who have zoned the golf course for residential or commercial use and wake up to discover that they would prefer it to remain open space when a deal is on the table and the course ownership is considering selling.  If the municipality or county tries to exercise its right of eminent domain, it likely will have to match the commercial offer as the highest and best use standard for pricing is usually measured economically as opposed to aesthetically or by any other standard.  Given the price for good development sites, the cost of an eminent domain purchase may be prohibitive.  Similarly, an attempt to rezone under those circumstances may be voided as an assertion of  eminent domain by indirection (because it effectively prevents the owner from selling his property in a manner that was permissable prior to the change) and thus may be viewed as an unconstitutional taking without due process of law.  Accordingly, municipalities that are short of open space and rely on privately held golf courses to provide this benefit should consider zoning changes before the owners seek a sale.  While the owners may fight the re-zoning, the municipality stands a better chance given its inherent zoning power if the move is made when there is no immediate transfer contemplated.

Jason Blasberg

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2005, 12:09:04 PM »
Kelly:

I hear you!  Notice the outspoken community group is the one that doesn't want their housing density to increase or lose their open views, etc.  They didn't say, we're avid golfers and think it's necessary to maintain the active lifestyle of the community, they just want to look at open rolling land and not a neighboring house.  

Jason    

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2005, 02:29:42 PM »
Just saw this at golfsoursenews.com about a town in Ohio buying a golf course to preserve open space from threatened development. By the way, Shel Solow's legal analysis is on target and should be forwarded to the town in NY in the article that Jason posted.

http://tinyurl.com/eyh7m
« Last Edit: December 23, 2005, 02:31:37 PM by Steve_ Shaffer »
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Troy Alderson

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2005, 09:47:11 PM »
Jason and Kelly,

Many people on this site have noticed a change in the golf industry where non-golfers are becoming more informed about golf courses and how they are good for the environment and that golf courses are not the scurge they have been deemed for the environmental activist.  The GCSAA and the USGA have been working tirelessly to educate the American public how golf courses contribute positively to our economy and can actually improve water quality.  The fight is on and the golf community is starting to pull ahead.

Great posting Jason.

Troy

Kelly Blake Moran

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2005, 11:03:02 PM »
And a  lot of individuals who don't belong to those organizations  have done their part as well not because they make a living from the industry but because they love the game.

redanman

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2005, 10:36:02 AM »
BETTER LINK TO NEWSDAY STORY

The last thing that part of Long Island needs is more housing, especially at the cost of golf courses!

Jason Blasberg

Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2005, 11:40:51 AM »
Thanks R-Man, you consistantly prove better technically inclined with this darn computer and internet thing!

Merry Christmas!

Doug Siebert

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Re:Town seeks to keep courses, courses!
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2005, 12:35:58 AM »
This is a difficult issue for many communities who have zoned the golf course for residential or commercial use and wake up to discover that they would prefer it to remain open space when a deal is on the table and the course ownership is considering selling.  If the municipality or county tries to exercise its right of eminent domain, it likely will have to match the commercial offer as the highest and best use standard for pricing is usually measured economically as opposed to aesthetically or by any other standard.  Given the price for good development sites, the cost of an eminent domain purchase may be prohibitive.  Similarly, an attempt to rezone under those circumstances may be voided as an assertion of  eminent domain by indirection (because it effectively prevents the owner from selling his property in a manner that was permissable prior to the change) and thus may be viewed as an unconstitutional taking without due process of law.  Accordingly, municipalities that are short of open space and rely on privately held golf courses to provide this benefit should consider zoning changes before the owners seek a sale.  While the owners may fight the re-zoning, the municipality stands a better chance given its inherent zoning power if the move is made when there is no immediate transfer contemplated.


Maintaining the greenspace (whether as a golf course or simply a park) is worth something to the entire community, but its certainly worth much more to those who own adjoining property so they should be expected to bear more of the burden tax-wise if they expect the town to buy it out.  $68 million is pretty pricey for a 169 acre park, somehow I don't think it would be worth nearly that to the people who don't live right next to it.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2005, 12:36:23 AM by Doug Siebert »
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