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Patrick_Mucci

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Geoff,I thought Ron Forse was involved at Riviera.Could you clarify his role and Fazio's role, also offering a time frame on their involvement.P.S.  say hello to Dick Zmuda for me.

T_MacWood

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
PatrickThanks for answering many of my questions. For some one trying to get a feel for Rees' better work, what courses would you recommend he visit?

Patrick_Mucci

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Tom MacWood,Play Atlantic, you'll enjoy it.You may recall, a long, long time ago, this post dealt with Hollywood, a course I'm very familiar with.  Others chose to drift away from Hollywood, to other courses.  I can only speak to those courses I have played. I would suggest you contact Rees's office in Montclair, N.J. and ask them what courses they feel best exemplify his work, and then try to play them.

Patrick_Mucci

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Tommy Naccarato,I'm a computer novice, so tell me how do you post pictures to this site.  Do you do it through a scanner, a digital camera ?????I have some nice pictures of Garden City Golf Club, National, and ATLANTIC just for you.

Tommy_Naccarato

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Pat,What is required is a personal web site or space where you can upload the pictures via an FTP program to that site and then through a series of codes that has been established by Ultimate Bulletin Board, the makers of the program that Site Suite has used for this discussion group.Sounds hard?It isn't as hard as it seems, but it does take some time to learn how to use the FTP program and learn how it works in conjunction with the site or web space where you upload it to.I don't mind one bit if you would like to either email me the pictures (If you have them on your computer or on disk) or if you have them in either slide or print, you must have them scanned to digital form.I can put them on my site and then either place them on GCA or email you the codes back, where all's you do is copy and paste them into your post or reply.My email is,  tommy_n@earthlink.net

Patrick_Mucci

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Tommy Naccarato,Thanks for the info.My son who is more into computers will be with me Wednesday night, so I'll try it then.Promise me you won't use the 8 x 10 glossy of Rees as a dart board.

Tommy_Naccarato

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
I promise on one condition-That Rees come in and particpate in our discussions to see if he can be challenged to build something greater then he feels that he has accomplished.That is the reason for my whole existence.Might be a stretch, eh Pat?

John Morrissett

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
I played Hollywood the other day and can only agree with its admirers.  Some specific comments:(1) It features the best set of greens I have seen this year.  How about the stepped and angled 7th green and the rear of the 9th???  Neat, neat, neat.(2) It is really one good hole after another, with several excellent ones thrown in for good measure.(3) To borrow an adjective that David Staebler used in a conversation the other day, the 4th wins my vote for "Cool Hole of the Year" award.  I had seen pictures of the bunkering, but the relatively small, sloping green was a surprise.  What's a shame is that if someone were to build a hole today with similar bunkering, he would be blasted for building something so artificial and decorative (how many time do you miss a 150-yard green by 30 yards?).(4) Since I knew beforehand that Rees had done some work there and since I had not played the course before, it is impossible for me to comment on the job he did.  The bunkering does not scream "Rees Jones" at you (there are very few circles).(5) The great amount of pampas grass (or whatever) that is all over the course (esp. left of the 7th fairway) seemed out of place and even somewhat silly.  Like most courses of that age, it could stand a good amount of tree trimming/removal (e.g., the 8th from the back tee).(6) Overall, very, very good.  Probably better than Mountain Ridge, and a course that can certainly be added to the list of strong contenders for second best in NJ.

Mike_Cirba

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
John;I also played Hollywood for the first time this past Wednesday morning.  Small world, huh?I'd like to echo your comments, and add a few of my own.- As you mentioned, the greens were as creatively designed and interesting as they come.  Plenty of false fronts, wrinkles, steep slopes, multiple levels, fall-off edges, knobs, and some good integration with fairway contours.  However, perhaps it's just my balky putting stroke, but I thought they were kept a bit too fast for reason.  I think the contour was plenty enough to provide adequate challenge at slower green speeds.  Maintained in their present state, some positions became impossible two-putts and more problematic is the fact that certain greens will not accept shots to certain positions at all.Case in point; the beautiful 4th hole which you mention.  My 8-iron landed fully 40 feet onto the green (I paced it off) and 20 feet right of the hole which was in the center.  I was pleased until my caddie said, "watch this", and a full 15 seconds later my ball ended it's descent into a hollow fronting the green.But, the best part of the greens is truly the pressure they put on approach shots.  Tom Doak has said that the best way to challenge modern players is through challenging greens and surrounds, and you can't look at an approach at Hollywood without seeing the obvious challenge and letting it get into your head.- The bunkering is indeed wild and prolific and Travis created some unnatural looking mounds and volcanos to house them.  Yet, jutting out of the gently rolling New Jersey terrain, they somehow look fantastic!  This brings to mind Tom Paul's comment that perhaps what we tend to mind is not unnatural features...but simply unnatural features that are illogically attempted to blend into the existing terrain and obviously fail to do so.  They are of virtually every imaginable shape and pattern, and I would have loved to have seen the place prior to the removal of another hundred of them.  Unfortunately, most of the bunkering that was lost over time was cross-bunkering, and only the 12th...a wonderful "National-like" hole that I can't believe I haven't heard more of before...features some brilliant cross bunkers that dictate strategy.  Most of the remaining bunkering is all lateral, and virtually every green has an opening in front accommodating a running approach.     - Next time I'm going back there with a chainsaw.  Trees inhibit strategy on too many holes and are actually kind of self-defeating.  Because of the challenge at the greens, the course works best when the player attempts to play a full approach to them after a wayward drive.  Instead, too often we found ourselves chipping 100 yards further up the fairway after being behind or under trees, and were left with much simpler short-iron approaches.- I'm not sure the extent of Rees' bunker renovations, and although they still played as difficult hazards, I would have preferred to see them looking scragglier.  They had very clean edges with turfed faces, and actually looked much less intimidating than they actually played.- Some fantastic holes of note; 3,4,7,9,10,11,12!!!,13!!!,14!!!! (my new inclusion for favorite back to back to bck par 4s),&18. - I sense that something wonderful was lost in the club's decision (I can't imagine the reason) to discard the old 240 yard par three 17th to a huge, wildly-undulating green.  The new 17th is about 180 yards over a depression to a punchbowl-type green with an elephant buried left center.  Not a bad hole, but somehow uncharacteristic, and not visually stimulating from the tee.All in all, it's the kind of course that would be fun to play on a routine basis.  A bit less of tree impingement, and my rating of 7 might climb to an 8.  

John Morrissett

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Mike--That's amazing -- I was off in the first group just after 8:00 Wednesday morning!  Sorry to have missed you.I agree with your points.  Much of the appeal of the greens lies in their variety as you describe nicely.  I was perplexed like you at how much the ball would move on the greens.  My story is on the the 13th, where my SW landed on the green, one pace from the back edge, only to finish in the center of the green!  However, the greens, while speedy, were on the soft side, perhaps as a result of the recent deep tining.  I just wonder what the normal firmness is and whether firmer greens would have helped our situations.

Patrick_Mucci

Hollywood, NJ and Quaker Ridge
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2000, 08:00:00 PM »
Mike and John,I hope that Hollywood continues its restoration process by eliminating more than a few trees.  But.... sometimes its hard to follow up when you've just finished a major project.I have voiced my concerns with regard to the eighth hole where trees planted over the years have narrowed the driving area excessively.  Other holes could also use a good chain saw.  It's amazing that such a well to do club could let their border property get away from them years ago.  This caused many of the holes to be planted in order to hide the adjacent homes.  Those plantings and other plantings have diminished the value of many of the holes.But... Hollywood is still a terrific golf course, especially when the ocean breeze gets up.

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