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Tommy Williamsen

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I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« on: February 03, 2004, 06:21:09 PM »
I am 56 years old, a four handicap who has been playing since I was a small child.  I have played military courses, public courses, private courses and 75 of the top 100 courses on the GOLF DIGEST list.  I have played golf in twelve different countries.  I have played in rain, heat, cold, snow, wind, and benign conditions.  I have played golf along the ground, in the air, on natural courses, contrived courses, hilly courses, flat courses, seaside courses and mountain courses.  I love 'em all.  I prefer links courses in  Great Britain but I just love to hit a golf ball.  I love to envision how it will fly and how it will react when it lands.  

When I was young and hit low driving hooks off the tee and high flop shots with balata balls that would cut if you hit them high on the face, I loved it.  When I was twentyfive and used balls that would not cut on greens that would not accept even the most perfectly struck balls I thought I needed to leaarn a new shot.

Golf is not about protecting some favorite kind of architecture but about being able to adjust to the game necessary for the type of course played.  In this day and age we have more varying types of courses than ever before.  We can go from TOC at St. Andrews where the ground game is helpful to PGA west where you have to hit it in the air.  

Do I have preferences?  Absolutely!  If I could play fast running links courses for the rest of my life I would be thrilled.  It just won't happen.  So I must adjust.  This ability to adjust to the differing conditions helps make the game great.  And is why I love it.  

The question we need to ask ourselves is, "Do we love golf or only a particular kind of golf?"
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Lou_Duran

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2004, 07:57:48 PM »
tommy W,

I fully concur.  Variety and choice.  Give me firm and fast, and I have a great time.  But take me to the Monterey Peninsula or San Francisco where these conditions are rare, I will gladly adapt to what I find.  I am at times disappointed when a course doesn't measure up to my expectations, but seldom have I felt that I just wasted a half-day.  I love golf of most types and in different weather conditions. However, I will confess that when the greens are in really bad shape, that this detracts from my experience.

JakaB

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2004, 08:02:35 PM »
Tommy W,

Were you ever a sub comander....I would like to know how your study of military history and strategy has influenced your love of golf.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2004, 12:24:45 PM »
I have been away from my computer for a few days and haven't been able to respond to questions in my new thread. Although, I thought there might be more rsponses to my question.

JakaB,  I am an army brat, who has never been in the military.  I didn't realize that I thought like a sub-captain.  One of my good friends who is a sub-captain will be surprised, astonished and befuddled.  

Getting back to the thread.  I have thought long and hard about my question, "Do I love golf or only a particular kind of golf?"  Over the years I have vacillated.  But in this time in my life I could play anywhere, with any kind of equipment, in almost any weather---as long as I could just swing at a golf ball.

Part of my thinking includes the aging process.  I used to think that i would no longer want to play if I couldn't play from the back tees with my younger buddies.  It still smarts when they play they play the "men's" tees and go up to the "little boy tees" but my love of the game outweighs my "injured" pride.

Would you still play and enjoy the game if you had to play a course designed in a way you disliked.  Has the emphasis on golf course architecture and our love for certain kinds of courses helped or hurt the game we grew to love as children?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

THuckaby2

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2004, 12:47:59 PM »
Tom W:

I didn't respond here yet because for me the answer is far too simple for what really is a great question.  

I'd love golf on a parking lot, if the friends are right and I get to drink beer.

See how oversimplified that is?

I love the playing of the game more than the venues on which it occurs.  So while I do have my likes and preferences in those venues and sure as heck do love to discuss them (OBVIOUSLY!), well... they are not the driving force for me.

So if I get my pick, well... let me age on Cypress Point.  But assuming I don't get my pick, hell anywhere I have friends to play with is great by me.

TH

JakaB

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2004, 01:46:37 PM »
TomW,

I had really hoped to add a sub-comander to my stable of architectural resources.   I don't love anything like I learned to love it as a child....I love golf as it should be, can't be and never will be....I love golf as I love myself.

ChasLawler

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2004, 03:56:48 PM »
....I love golf as it should be, can't be and never will be....I love golf as I love myself.

ditto

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2004, 03:54:48 PM »
JakaB,

I have read enough of your posts to know that you are bright enough to know that what you wrote was more than the what was on the surface.  "I love myself for what I can be."  "Ilove golf for what it can be."  I hope I got it right.  I agree. But I love golf for what it is and what it was and what it can never be.  Golf, it seems to me, is hitting a golf ball, finding it, hitting it again etc.

The joy of golf is hitting it on a course that is beautiful, strategic, heoric at times, and interesting.  The beauty of golf is simply hitting the ball as envisioned. The fun of golf is hitting it from places that let us be extraordinary.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2004, 02:38:39 AM »
The question remains:  Do we love golf because of the architecture or because we love to hit a golf ball and envision it ascending, descending and landing a certain way?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

THuckaby2

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2004, 09:17:29 AM »
Tom W:

I don't think it can be an either/or... that is, one can't have full enjoyment of the game without BOTH sides.  Oh sure - put me down on the "hitting of the ball side" without a doubt - that does come first to me.  But if I had to do so on a driving range exclusively, it would get very old very quickly - so the "architecture" is required also, and the better that is, the more joy is obtained.  I do lean toward the hitting the ball side though - no way do I get much enjoyment out of walking a course without playing it - but still, for full enjoyment, one can't exist without the other.

So in the end, for me your quote says it all, quite perfectly:

"The joy of golf is hitting it on a course that is beautiful, strategic, heoric at times, and interesting.  The beauty of golf is simply hitting the ball as envisioned. The fun of golf is hitting it from places that let us be extraordinary."

TH




ChasLawler

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2004, 09:26:03 AM »
Tom - you just made me come to a realization.

Given only one choice, I'd much prefer to walk golf courses for the rest of my life without ever hitting a shot, than relegate myself to hitting balls on the driving range for eternity.

THuckaby2

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2004, 09:32:36 AM »
Junah:

Damn you, that is a hell of a choice. ;D  And I use the word "hell" on purpose.  See for me EITHER of those would be hell... it would be hell to walk courses and not be allowed to play - the temptation would be maddening.  On the other side, it would also be hell to just hit balls on a range, without any "result" and being limited to just that single vista forever.

So please don't make me make this choice!

TH


JakaB

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2004, 10:08:13 AM »
I would rather enjoy the love of an ugly woman than have no woman at all.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2004, 10:13:16 AM by JakaB »

THuckaby2

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2004, 10:10:29 AM »
Damn straight JakaB.  Me too.   ;D

TH

frank_D

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2004, 12:17:32 PM »
"Do we love golf or only a particular kind of golf?"

brother tommy w -

my response would be the latter - only a particular kind

walking, with three friends, female caddies in the carts we are required to rent, no scorecard, no cellphones, keeping up with the group ahead which to do so may include picking up on occasion, small uncomplicated wagers and a well stocked 19th hole

no matter the course although a variety is our usual preference with two or three frequent favorites

under any weather conditions except a soaking continuing rain

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2004, 05:13:21 PM »
I too love the game as tommy w does. Go out and golf your ball whenever and wherever you can.

Steve Lang

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2004, 09:03:30 PM »
 8)

Yeh, play it as it lies..

zTiger.. if Ms Sheila and I came over to Nawlins on March 10, where should we play to celebrate our 20th Anniversary?  I already know where we'd be eatin..
Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2004, 10:34:21 AM »
NOLA CC, Metairie CC, English Turn, Money Hill, will get you off the ground. NOLA and Metairie have some rules about females and times.

gookin

Re:I love golf as it is, was, and will be
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2004, 12:33:01 PM »
TommyW,

I am with you.  The love for golf can be like the love for your children; it is unconditional.  However, unconditional love doesn't mean you don't try to influence their behavior.  Give me a firm, fast classic style course everytime, but playing in the backyard beats no game at all.