Holes where the direct line is over Out of Bounds

[Ally Mcintosh]

Mention of the Road Hole on another thread has me asking the question.


Clearly we have potential safety issues but these holes are out there. Really I’m looking for good holes or holes on good courses. I can think of a few.

[Matt Schoolfield]

It’s a technicality, but #12, Rocky Shores, at Pacific Grove allows players to try to cut the corner over OB. The OB is still the course, but it’s played as OB.


It’s also my understanding that the tee shot on #6, Long Tom, at Orinda CC plays over a road.

[Kalen Braley]

The obvious ones to me are CPC 15 - 16, unless they've since changed the rule that the ocean is OOB.

P.S.  I think the first hole at Stanford is over a public road

[Jordan Beasley]

#4 at St. Enodoc

[David_Tepper]

I think there is a par-3 (maybe #4?) on the front-9 at Castlerock (Northern Ireland) that is played over OB.

[Anthony Butler]

Similar to the 16th at Cypress Pt. the Pacific Ocean on the 6th at New South Wales is not designated as a water hazard. Even if it was, you could only move your ball forward about 6 yards and you couldn't use a tee... Cape Wickham has a couple of similar situations with Bass Strait.

[Thomas Dai]

1st at Enniscrone?
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[Ira Fishman]

Mention of the Road Hole on another thread has me asking the question.


Clearly we have potential safety issues but these holes are out there. Really I’m looking for good holes or holes on good courses. I can think of a few.

Ally,


You have stumped at least me.


Kilspindie 8 is the only one that I could come up with and I am not sure it counts.


Ira

[Jim Sherma]

13th at Ceann Sibeal (Dingle Golf Links - Eddie Hackett) - dogleg right over a chunk of farm (couple of cows grazing one of the times when I've played). Into the wind keep it left otherwise you play diagonally over the corner choosing you line.


I like Dingle a lot, very rustic and bare bones course but still a solid second tier links in a sublime location.

[David_Tepper]

The 18th hole at Royal Dublin doglegs right around a staked area (or at least it did in 1984). I can't remember if it is marked OB.   

[Tommy Williamsen]

13th at Ceann Sibeal (Dingle Golf Links - Eddie Hackett) - dogleg right over a chunk of farm (couple of cows grazing one of the times when I've played). Into the wind keep it left otherwise you play diagonally over the corner choosing you line.


I like Dingle a lot, very rustic and bare bones course but still a solid second tier links in a sublime location.

Jim, there aren't many Americans that have ventured to Ceann Sibeal. I thought it was a fun romp on some crumply rocky ground.

[Mark Pearce]

Consecutive par 4s at Crail Balcomie (4 and 5) play over the (OoB) beach. 

[JohnVDB]

The obvious ones to me are CPC 15 - 16, unless they've since changed the rule that the ocean is OOB.

P.S.  I think the first hole at Stanford is over a public road

I believe they changed it to a water hazard (penalty area) quite a few years ago.


Stanford does as did a NLE course in northern San Diego county called Fallbrook CC.


We had a Futures Tour tournament at a course in northen Geogia that had an Indian village in the middle of the course.  It was an environmentally sensitive area.  Since it didn’t contain water we couldn’t call it a water hazard and it was too large to be called GUR (per USGA guidance) so we made it Out of Bounds. Players had to tee off directly over it.

[Ira Fishman]

Consecutive par 4s at Crail Balcomie (4 and 5) play over the (OoB) beach.

Those are two very good holes. My bad for assuming that they were played as water hazards. I will try to remember on our return visit in August.


Overall, I think the 4-8 stretch is excellent.


Ira

[Ben Sims]

I think Dunbar #7 fits this definition.  Though I’m not quite sure how direct the line is over the wall.

[Mark Kiely]

The back tee on the 14th at Hacienda Golf Club in La Habra Heights, CA plays over a street.


Is there a very back tee on No. 2 at Pasatiempo that plays from across Pasatiempo Drive?

[Ally Mcintosh]

Some good examples here.


Particularly I’m looking at ones where it’s not just the big hitters line, examples should be ones where the only viable option is to hit over the OOB. Most given here are like that.


The best examples are also those where the shot is hitting over land not owned by the golf course although all are valid as long as the OOB is an external course boundary (e.g. Royal Dublin, Crail) rather than an internal one (e.g. Goswick).


Are there any modern examples?

[Sean_A]

Some good examples here.

Particularly I’m looking at ones where it’s not just the big hitters line, examples should be ones where the only viable option is to hit over the OOB. Most given here are like that.

The best examples are also those where the shot is hitting over land not owned by the golf course although all are valid as long as the OOB is an external course boundary (e.g. Royal Dublin, Crail) rather than an internal one (e.g. Goswick).

Are there any modern examples?

Hoylake has some of the best direct line OoB in golf.

OoB at Goswick VS Hoylake to me are very different cases. Yes, the clubs own the OoB land. However, in the case of Hoylake the OoB is a practice ground and therefore it makes no sense to be part of the course. Thus I consider it external OoB and the holes are better for it. Goswick on the other hand created OoB for safety reasons and the opener suffers for this. The club owning the land is immaterial to the type of OoB.

16 Aberdovey I think requires going OoB as a direct line to the green, but it's close.

16 New Zealand. This type of OoB is very common.

8 Blackwell is a good un. Not so good for the homeowner.

Ciao

[Ally Mcintosh]

Yes that’s why I used Goswick as a poor example. Hoylake is like Royal Dublin in that the OOB is the practice ground. I think the RD example is good because it’s a par-4 with no alternative thank to hit your approach directly over a good chunk of OOB.

[Ben Stephens]

Rutland Water's 16th hole from the blue tees the drive goes across the boundary line if you fade it to get onto the fairway.


Kirby Muxloe used to have an island tee in the middle of a field that you were going across the OOB before getting to the field of play.

[Enno Gerdes]

Yes that’s why I used Goswick as a poor example. Hoylake is like Royal Dublin in that the OOB is the practice ground. I think the RD example is good because it’s a par-4 with no alternative thank to hit your approach directly over a good chunk of OOB.

IIRC, Hoylake has another example on the 6th, where the OOB on the tee shot is not the practice ground, but somebody's back garden. Can't really be avoided, also because the best line into the green is from the left side of the fairway.

[Richard Fisher]

Gog Magog Old 2nd, straight over an old quarry pit. Quite intimidating for the second drive of the day, albeit with an easy safer line with much less carry to the left (which then however renders the green out of reach for the 2nd shot)