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Thomas Dai

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2020, 03:01:23 PM »
Sadly due to C-19 away games and trips were limited so I didn’t get to play any new holes or courses this year. I did manage to walk and photograph East Devon (longish, hilly course and very wet so no trolleys so no me) while Sean and Robin played and it seemed rather nice. The holes I particularly recall at EDGC being the par-3 8th and the short par-4 11th.
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Paul Jones

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« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2020, 03:07:11 PM »
7th hole at Davenport CC - I am surprised Ran has not done a write up on DCC. 
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2020, 04:33:51 PM »
#8 and #10 at Palmetto Golf Club


Even though there are superior holes there I think I had more fun at Aiken GC, especially after getting randomly paired with Mark Pritchett and Will Spivey. My sides hurt after 18 with those guys.


8 and 10 are curious choices, though I agree they are great holes.(so many cool holes at Palmetto)
It's stunning that more architects don't emulate their green designs.(8 may be the most benign green there)
Only yesterday I missed left on 8 and realized how difficult the shot was to an extreme front pin-due to the mounds. 45 years of playing there and I never had that combo(left miss front pin)
10 is a diabolical green to hit from anywhere outside 10 yards.


Playing with Mark Pritchett today so should I take some preemptive Advil?


I could have gone with a number of holes there - loved #4 & #7 for example too. For some reason I loved the tee shot coming out of the pines on #8 and sounds like I had the same pin position you had. Really liked the #10 approach with the walk right off to #11 tee with that drop shot part 3. But like you said, so many good holes to choose from. Kevin Kisner was a few groups in front of us which was pretty cool. I think the best part could have been the $1.50 beers.

Hope Mark was "on" and had you in stitches

Richard Fisher

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2020, 06:29:45 AM »
Very sadly for me (and I suspect many others on this site, esp the Brits) the answer is 'none', for the first time in about forty years (apart from 2014 when I was off games, injured). The only two 'away' courses I played as a guest during 2020 were Rye and the Sacred Nine (so doing pretty well on the Doak Scale). But nothing new to report whatsoever. Here's to (much) better things for everyone in 2021!

James Reader

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2020, 06:53:04 AM »
In spite of the restrictions, I still managed to see 18 new courses this year.


Best new hole for me was the 10th at Cavendish (thanks to Duncan for hosting me), just ahead of a few candidates at Royal Aberdeen.

Jim Franklin

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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2020, 10:01:52 AM »
6 or 17 at Sheep Ranch.
Gamble Sands was pretty cool too.
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Bernie Bell

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2020, 10:30:02 AM »
Firestone North 16-17-18.  If limited to one hole, 17.

MCirba

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2020, 10:53:48 AM »
This past year I was fortunate to play 78 golf courses, 34 for the first time.

Of those, the hole that jumped immediately to mind when I read the title of this thread is...the 45 yard par three 10th hole at Beaver Bend Par 3 Golf Course in Hummelstown, PA.   Designed by the fertile mind and obvious good humor of one Harvey E. Skinner in 1961, Beaver Brook has little creative delights strewn throughout.   


In the case of the 10th, it appears somewhat innocuous from the tee.    (Photos courtesy of the Bausch Collection)



What you can't quite see, but what you can clearly sense (and would never forget again after a first play) is that the right to left sloping green also falls away from the golfer, and rather precipitously at that.  (seen here from the right of the green)




In fact, just beyond the green the ground continues plummeting for about a 25-30 foot drop, which is the fate awaiting a thinned tee-shot, or one just a bit bold.    This view of the next hole (from a tee just to the right of 10th green) shows the natural lay of the land down to the river just beyond. 





Now, before you get your fairness hat on, why is it that we wouldn't blink about an approach to an elevated green with a false front sending a slightly mishit, or under-clubbed, or timid shot coming back down a steep embankment as cool, but one that features big trouble just beyond the green is somehow excoiated?   In fact, I would argue that reasonable but difficult recovery beyond a green is one of those underutilized assets in an architect's toolkit that is probably due to a subtle mindset over what is fair and what is not.   In the case of a hole often requiring a less than full-shot approach by the unwary golfer, as seen at the 10th at Beaver Bend, it can be quite effective both psychologically and in practical terms.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2020, 11:08:00 AM »
Mike C:


Your example reminds me of my favorite line from Bernard Darwin's Golf Courses of the British Isles, where he described the approach to the 17th at North Berwick as being so frightening for the trouble over the green that most players played it "on the instalment system, and it is really [fun] to see how many instalments may be required".  [Sadly, I do not have the book at hand to get the quote exactly right.  I will revert when I do.]


It appears from his description that back in the day the 17th was a double green with the 1st and the flag could be way left.  :o

MCirba

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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2020, 11:28:39 AM »
Tom,

Yes, and another that plays similarly in that regard, and perhaps even more deviously subtle is the 1st at Pine Valley where the deeper you get into that green the more precision is required and the more the penalty amps up.

Just went through my phone and came across this photo of the 10th at Beaver Bend.   That may or may not be Joe Bausch over the green playing what might or might not be his second or third recovery shot. 


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Alex Miller

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2020, 11:53:20 AM »
6 or 17 at Sheep Ranch.
Gamble Sands was pretty cool too.


Gamble Sands was one of the more impressive courses I played this year. Granted I think I only played a dozen or so, but it exceeded expectations greatly!


Silvies Valley - the whole is greater than the sum of the parts and is also worth a shout, however no hole in particular stands out above the others.


Sheep Ranch had my favorite which Grey also shared: perhaps the best opener I've ever played.




Bill Gayne

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2020, 04:40:56 PM »
I only played 12 new courses this year so the pool of possibilities is limited. I guess my first choice for best would be the cape hole at Lookout Mountain, #10.


Other holes that I like include Arcadia Bluffs South Course holes 12 and 13. The 12th is a par three with a lions mouth bunker and 13 is an alps interpretation with a big punchbowl green. Audubon Park had a lot of really good holes that flowed nicely in an urban park setting. I'll pick the 17th. Something about 17th hole par threes with carries over water. The fifteenth hole at Holston Hills with the mounding that crossed the fairway. Harbourtown is outstanding and the greens and surrounds is what makes the course. Off top of my head I would take the easy way out and select the finishing holes, 16, 17, and 18.

Ronald Montesano

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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2020, 07:19:21 PM »
For Tom Doak, and all who know him, courtesy of Gutenburg.Org...

"The seventeenth hole has been more praised and more abused probably than any other hole in the world. It has been called unfair, and by many harder names as well; it has caused champions with a predilection for pitching rather than running to tear their hair; it has certainly ruined an infinite number of scores. Many like it, most respect it, and all fear it. First there is the tee-shot, with the possibility of slicing out of bounds into the station-master’s garden or pulling into various bunkers on the left. Then comes the second, a shot which should not entail immediate disaster, but which is nevertheless of enormous importance as leading up to the third. Finally, there is the approach to that little plateau—in contrast to most of the St. Andrews greens, a horribly small and narrow one—that lies between a greedy little bunker on the one side and a brutally hard road on the other. It is so difficult as to make the boldest inclined to approach on the instalment system, and yet no amount of caution can do away with the chance of disaster. There was a harrowing moment in the Championship of 1910 when Braid’s ball lay in the little bunker under the green. Even if he got it safely out, it was practically certain he would be two strokes behind Duncan, with one round to go; if he did not get it out, or got it out too far and so on to the road, his chances would be terribly jeopardized. It was, as I say, an agonizing moment, but no one plays the heavy ‘dunch’ shot out of sand quite so surely as Braid. Down came the niblick, up spouted the sand, and out came the ball, to fall spent and lifeless close to the hole and out of reach of that cruel road."
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2020, 08:52:29 PM »
The 8th Hole on the Bayou 9, at A.C. Reed Golf Course at Naval Air Station Pensacola (FL):




It has alot of moving parts, so it is hard to credit an Architect, but it is a fun risk/reward tee shot with a fun finish and green too:

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Allan Long

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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2020, 10:06:35 PM »
Toss-up between #6 or #17 at Bel-Air.
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Michael Wolf

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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2020, 01:46:58 PM »
The 4th at Royal Melbourne West. But the 3rd at Royal Adelaide has stuck with me as well.


Happy New Year everyone.


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Tom_Doak

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2020, 01:50:55 PM »
Toss-up between #6 or #17 at Bel-Air.


#6, really?!  We had to really grind on that hole as it seemed like the plainest one out there to start with.

I played in the opening with Al Michaels and he said on the tee that was always the hole he played best, and the changes absolutely killed him and he made 6 or 7.   :-\   Luckily then he made birdie at 9 and decided he had a new favorite.

Philip Gawith

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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2020, 02:19:27 PM »
My year started with new courses in LA (Bel Air, Wiltshire, Valley Club) and Hawaii (Kukio, Nanea and Kapalua), included Machrie and Ardfin in September, and finished with East London in South Africa.


I shall be lazy and bias towards the latter courses: the 11th at Ardfin which takes you down to the boathouse is a visually stunning golf hole. The 12th at East London is also a memorable hole - 391m downhill with a sharp dog-leg left to an elevated green situated between two dunes, backed by the Indian ocean.


In passing, the focus of the question on a single hole is a reminder that some courses can make a strong impression without this necessarily being based around particular stand-out holes. I think i would include the Valley Club in this list - playing the home "paddock" on a beautiful evening is a great and distinctive golf experience at a stand-out location. In a very different way Nanea is also a memorable destination although i am not sure i would single out particular holes.

Tim Gavrich

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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2020, 02:46:32 PM »

Saw a lot fewer golf courses for the first time than I anticipated when the year began, but still got to see some good ones.

Par 3: #13 at The Dye Preserve


Par 4: #3 at Quixote Club


Par 5: #7 at Streamsong Red








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Ben Wolfe

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2020, 03:26:49 PM »
Number 6 at CC of Buffalo was incredibly dramatic, while being wholly natural in the quarry that surrounds it.  A great course and fine Club.

Here's a pic of #6 at CCB and a recap of new courses we played in 2020:

https://www.rightonpar.com/2020/12/31/2020s-bakers-dozen-a-wide-spectrum-of-new-courses-played/

George Smiltins

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« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2020, 04:28:18 PM »
9th at Meadowbrook. (And 6 or 7 other holes out there)

Tom_Doak

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« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2020, 04:53:53 PM »
9th at Meadowbrook. (And 6 or 7 other holes out there)


Which Meadowbrook?

George Smiltins

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« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2020, 05:24:37 PM »
9th at Meadowbrook. (And 6 or 7 other holes out there)


Which Meadowbrook?


Detroit area. Is the one on Long Island the other one of note?

JohnVDB

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« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2020, 06:43:42 PM »
I loved the 5th/14th hole at Durness.  The tees for the two holes elevated and about 100 yards apart.  The hole is shaped like an upside down Y with a large rough mound in the center one the and then runs uphill to a narrow green. It is probably drivable for bit hitters from the 14th tee depending on the wind. 

Allan Long

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Re: What Was The Best Golf Hole You Saw For The First Time in 2020 ?
« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2020, 08:17:07 PM »
Toss-up between #6 or #17 at Bel-Air.


#6, really?!  We had to really grind on that hole as it seemed like the plainest one out there to start with.

I played in the opening with Al Michaels and he said on the tee that was always the hole he played best, and the changes absolutely killed him and he made 6 or 7.   :-\   Luckily then he made birdie at 9 and decided he had a new favorite.


I thought 6 was strong from start to finish. There's some danger off the tee that the player needs to pay attention to, and I love the way the ditch is incorporated into the design. I felt the second shot looked a little deceptive to me, and I liked that I really had to think about where I wanted the ball to land rather than just blindly firing it at the flag. The greensite was interesting and had some character, and I liked the look of the solo bunker beyond. All in all, the hole just fit my eye. I could go play the loop between 6 and 7 all day with all the options they present the player.
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