[paul cowley]

...who ,amongst you ,would willingly admit to a desire to pleasurably view a course ,with out the benifit of your clubs ?

....i'll admit i have ,seminole not being the first................

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Paul, Absolutely!

I'll admit it right now, I love looking at golf courses.

[Bob_Huntley]

This reminds me of a tale I once told a young, beautiful Miss South Africa a half a century ago; I promise I will not sully your beauty with untold obscene advances.  I could no more walk a golf course without playing, than I could keep my hands off a ravishing beauty  of my youth.

You guys that do this are the Lancelots of the modern era. Rich Goodale has many a tale of the knightly code, and all are of twisted and thwarted celibate weirdness.

[Joe Hancock]

My wife tires of me saying "that land would make a wonderful golf course...."

Does seeing golf courses yet to be built count in all this?

Joe

[paul cowley]

....yo bob ,don't get me wrong ,if 'one' was availiable , i would be the first to thrust a lancelot into the first [or ninth][or eighteenth].............

[Evan Fleisher]

Joe beat me to it...I am constantly daydreaming at the land as it rolls by..."honey, wouldn't a fairway and green complex fit nicely over there?"  She just rolls her eyes...  

I have not had many opportunities to simply walk a course to study it's beauty, but would love the chance given the right circumstances.

[Gary_Nelson]

I walked The Old Course in St. Andrews on a Sunday... without my clubs of course.  It wasn't nearly as pleasurable as I expected.  I had little sense of it's resistance to scoring because I had my tourist mindset on that day.  I never got to play because of a 2-week R&A tournament that started the next day.    

To me, there is some pleasure in walking a great course.  However, I'll always feel there was something missing when I reminice (sp?).

[David Wigler]

I certainly can look at land and say "Wow this would be great for a golf course."  I certainly can look at golf courses in construction and enjoy visualizing what they will look like when they are finished.  But if a course is already built and sitting there, I need a club in my hand to truly enjoy it.

[cary lichtenstein]

Try this: Go to Vail, visit The Summit Course at the top of Cordillera and see if voyerism works. It is soooo beautiful, but then you gotta play it.

[A_Clay_Man]

Somehow I think this might be on topic...but,

A few weeks ago, Dennis Miller was doing a bit on the promise of 40 virgins, for those who die as martyrs. He insightfully pointed out that after about a dozen or so virgins, a guy would be ready for a pro.

[rgkeller]

Not I.

To me the beauty of golf is in the playing not the looking.

[Dunlop_White]

I too enjoy simply "looking" at golf courses. I can learn so much about the course, the super, the architect and the green committee by simply doing a ride-through.

Whether I enjoy "looking" better than "playing" is a different story. All depends on the time frame. If I have a couple of hours, I'd prefer to simply look. If I had a day, I'd rather play instead. Can't really compare golf courses to women for me, because I could look at them all day long, and incidentally, I have little choice now.

[Bill Gayne]

Golf voyeurism is a big part of the reason to attend a golf tournament in person. Especially the Masters because until recently the front nine of the course was not shown on TV in its entirety. I think the reason that most people show up at the Masters practice rounds is to just see the course. This summer at Shinnecock, a lot of people will go just to see the course.

[A_Clay_Man]

Having caddied at "the preserve" four times and toured it first, to learn the greens I find I cannot truly assess it on it's merits as a golf course. Sure, I have opinions about some of its features and some of its re-ocurring themes but I have no idea about how it plays.

[Dan Kelly]

Call me a voyeur.

Ninety percent (minimum!) of the reason I subscribe to golf magazines and watch golf tournaments and come to this Web site is voyeurism (of the visual sort, and otherwise).

I'll never get to play 99 percent of the courses I want to play -- which doesn't diminish by one iota my desire to either play them or look at them or talk about them.

Clubs in hand, obviously, make the experience far superior -- but I can be quite content just walking around (so long as I have a ball in hand to roll "putts" and "chips" across the greens).

Not PERFECTLY content, mind you -- but quite content, as I was when I walked, with my daughters, the entire, now-deserted course at Hazeltine, after the final round of the 2002 PGA Championship, while the trophy was being presented up at 18.

I desperately wanted to play the course, which I hadn't done in 15 years -- but even so, I was quite content just to be walking down its fairways and across its greens, looking around, soaking it in.

In my next life, when and if I ever retire, I intend to take a really good camera and walk around the golf courses I've never managed to play.

My guess is that access will be easier to arrange.

Maybe they'll let me take a putter along.

[Ken_Cotner]

...twisted and thwarted celibate weirdness.

Brilliant; anyone with such literary flourish MUST get something published!  And I now have a new name to call my golf companions and other friends!

And could there possibly be a better band name than "Celibate Weirdness"?  

[RJ_Daley]

KC, is that just a coincidence with you deriving the "band name of the day" from the current threads, or did you know that was Dan Kelly's daily special in his Pioneer Press, Bulletin Board column? Knowing you both, it seemed eerily conincidental...

As for me, I am a voyuer too.  I enjoy the drive-by designing of interesting tracts of raw land.  I love walking and just taking pictures of well contoured courses at dust.  In fact, I get a real thrill out of walking golf courses very late on moonless nights, sometimes howling for the moon to come out.  Dr. Katz or Tuco, am I normal, just average, or a lava dome just waiting to erupt and spew forth?

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

I too fall in that club. I do like to have a wedge and putter with me to enjoy many of the approaches and green complexes. I find you learn as much if not more about a course by walking it and carefully observing it and play than just a round of golf with friends.

[Ken_Cotner]

Dick,

Absolute and total coincidence.  Although I maintain that calling it the "band name of the day" would do a grave injustice to Mr. Huntley...it is the greatest band name, in the immortal words of Muhammad Ali, "of all tiiiiiimmmmeeee"!  

And howling at the moon sounds perfectly acceptable, but I worry about you "taking pictures of well-contoured courses at dust".  I'm not quite sure how to interpret that, but I can't think of any good ways!

Ken

[RJ_Daley]

Ken, A Fruedian slip...perhaps.  Since I like to walk and take pictures of well contoured grown-in courses at dusk, as well as graded construction site courses, where dust is a factor.  Ask Tommy how much dust there was at Rustic Canyon during construction.  We kicked quite a bit up there.

[Jamie_Duffner]

I instantly lay a golf hole over just about any open space I see.  A real illness, almost obssesive compulsive disorder.  I mean here I sit on the 16th floor of a building in Downtown Houston, the new Toyota cetner out my window and all I can think about is how I could incorporate the front fountain into a water hazard as I tee off from the 16th floor tee!  Sheesh - help me  

[RJ_Daley]

Oh great, another Ted Robinson in the making!

[Dan Kelly]

I instantly lay a golf hole over just about any open space I see.  A real illness, almost obssesive compulsive disorder.  I mean here I sit on the 16th floor of a building in Downtown Houston, the new Toyota cetner out my window and all I can think about is how I could incorporate the front fountain into a water hazard as I tee off from the 16th floor tee!  Sheesh - help me  

In the style of Sally Field: "Oh, it's NOT just me!"

Maybe we could set up a support group. You're right; it's a real illness.

Personally, I often envision shots being launched right down the streets of downtown St. Paul -- which, like downtown Minneapolis, has "skyways" (enclosed walkways) over all of the streets at the second-story level. I idly (obviously) wonder if, say, I could hit a 7-iron under this skyway but over the next one, or if could hold a pitching wedge on top of one -- or just how far I could hit a drive that wouldn't hit a building on either side as it bounced along the asphalt up toward the Capitol or down toward the river.

Sounds like just the thing for the next edition of "The Big Break."

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