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Craig Disher

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 09:58:55 PM »

Couldn't disagree with you more.  The walking paths not being addressed is a Maint issue, not a design flaw.  Being that so few US folks walk, they made the smart decision to focus on grass maint. 


This is correct. DC was designed as a walking-only course and in its first couple of years paths were maintained through the wetland areas so there were no interruptions for a continuous, easy walk. A path, bridge, and stone steps were placed through the wetland on 15; steps and a bridge led from 10 green to 11 tee; a mulched path led around the wetland on 2; a path still exists through the woods in front of the 5th tee. Except for crossing the 14th tee to arrive at the 7th tee - which is a junction on the course that allow groups to access the never-completed halfway house or to play an 11 hole loop - I don't think there are any awkward green-tee transitions. Sean - where do you think they are?

Sean_A

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2017, 03:29:37 AM »

Using the word routing is a tough one for laymen such as myself.  Since I am not an expert and don't know much about the nuts and bolts of budgets, restrictions etc of the courses I play, I use the term routing to refer to the walk, rhythm of holes, green to tee walks, does the course move forward or are there walk backs to tees, incorproration of the house  into the design, are the natural features used well and in a varied way.  I don't see much sense in trying to question the decision-making of where a course is routed unless I am well versed on the project  and suddenly become an expert archie. 

So the bottom line for me is yes, the routing of the holes (for whatever reasons) caused the awkward walks in the design.  Until the problem is mitigated it is a routing issue, for lack of a better way to describe the problem.  There are also a few awkward walks in the design which are not caused by wetlands.  Bottom line two, when Dormie is compared to good walking courses it does not fare well from a walking perspective or in the rythm of the holes (par 3 doesn't turn up until the 7th).  I think this issue is really a modern problem because so many sites are not conducive to a good walk.  This issue was a non starter back in the day.  I have said it before, the owners need to play Addington to gain a proper appreciation of what bridges can accomplish in making a ropey site a decent walk.

I admit to being hard on three shot holes because I rarely come across ones that are very good.  I don't think any of thr 5s at Mid Pines warrant special attention as outstanding holes.  Certainly none are nowhere near the class of #2's 5th.

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Couldn't disagree with you more.  The walking paths not being addressed is a Maint issue, not a design flaw.  Being that so few US folks walk, they made the smart decision to focus on grass maint. 


Please explain why the 5th is so great, I used to love it?  The green slants hard right to left so the 2nd has to be placed well.  The 3rd shot into #6 and #10 at MP is fantastic.  I need to play #2 again and will prob next winter.  The Par 5's are solid at MP, with 15 being the weakest and I think 5 should be a par 4.  The greens on 6 and 10 at MP are superior to #2 IMO.

Ben

Thats fine.  It doesn't matter to me how you categorize the problem of the walk.  The point is the walk is a negative aspect of the course. 

Craig

There are awkward transitions from 1 to 2 and 6 to 7.

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Tom Fagerli

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2017, 06:49:49 AM »
Proud of you who can walk Dormie.  The original idea of walking only was crazy. By the time one got to the second tee they would be winded!
That said my first round at Dormie ruined it for me. It was so fast and firm that the design elements gleamed. It was so much fun. Sadly it has never been like that again- and nowhere near as enjoyable.

Craig Disher

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2017, 08:03:22 AM »


Craig

There are awkward transitions from 1 to 2 and 6 to 7.

Ciao

Sean,
Walking straight off the back of 1 green through the trees puts you on the 2nd tee. The path isn't immediately visible but it's there with paving stones (at least it was there the last time I played).  6 to 7 could be considered awkward but exists due to the figure-8 routing, a planned halfway house, and the opportunity to play a short loop. It's sad the club decided to abandon the two best paths - around the right of the #2 wetland and across the wetland on #15. But since almost no one walks the course any more, why maintain them? 


Jay Mickle

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2017, 05:42:10 PM »
Proud of you who can walk Dormie.  The original idea of walking only was crazy. By the time one got to the second tee they would be winded!
That said my first round at Dormie ruined it for me. It was so fast and firm that the design elements gleamed. It was so much fun. Sadly it has never been like that again- and nowhere near as enjoyable.
I find that those conditions are most frequently found in winter when the Bermuda goes dormant and there is no watering. It is also the best time to walk.
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Jay Mickle

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2017, 06:00:05 PM »
For the variety of greens alone the course worth playing. I walk for the exercise and while I don't mind adding extra distance to a tee to green walk I don't like that the two become disconnected on 2, 3, 5, 7(in wet weather) and 15. I know that these disconnects have a solution $$$$$. Hoping the next owner will fix the problem.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2019, 07:45:16 PM »
Played Dormie Club Wednesday (November 20) with a friend, a PGA apprentice over in Durham, at 12:33pm. We walked with our ClicGear push carts and finished just before 4:30.

The course was an easier walk than I remembered (from the first/most recent time I played it, almost 25 months earlier to the day, in 2017). The push carts helped of course, but the hills were slightly less severe for pushing than I remembered. The dormant rough didn't hurt either - the carts rolled through those really easily as well. :)

Tee shots didn't plug, but they occasionally made plug marks and didn't roll out very much. We played the back tees, and except for barely reaching the 13th with a 3-wood (it played into a little wind as well), we reached the greens with reasonable clubs.

I don't have too much to add to what I wrote before… so I'll try to keep this short. My friend isn't much of an architecture guy, so I tried to talk with him about some of the strategic choices, some of the controversial holes, etc.

3. He agrees it's somewhat boring: we hit 3W into the breeze as it was about 245 to the start of the sandy area to the right. Probably should have just hit hybrid as I was a yard into it, and he was just shy (but in the fairway). I hit a small sand wedge to eight feet of a back pin and made the putt. He agrees: it's not a hole you'd ever really hit driver. Especially not that early in the round. Maybe if it was a little shorter, and maybe if it was the 15th to 17th hole in the round… it may be interesting then. At 270, currently, off the back tee, you're driving into an area that's 30 yards wide.

4. I thought I remembered a fairway bunker left. I was wrong. :)

5. Really dug the back-right contour that took a ball chipped just a few feet too aggressively at a middle-right pin about ten feet off the green.

6. I remembered the bunker 60 yards short of the green differently than how it presented itself.

7. Holy hell, man. 245 into the wind. We both hit 3W. We both made bogey, though mine was from the left trees (once a draw gets up into that wind, boy, it draws!  ;D ) and his was from 35 feet away on the green. :D

8. We both got home with… 5I I think. Slightly downwind tee shots helped, though it also helped that he drove it further up the right-hand side, which threw his ball further DOWN the fairway, while my ball to the center kicked and rolled LEFT more. I'd love to study that a bit more to see if this is a little local knowledge thing - that you're better off taking a wider route around to the right than playing the inside of the dogleg. There's a bunker on the inside, too, which makes you think you'd love to be there… Interesting.

10. Driver, 3W, PW. I know people hate this hole. He liked it. He agreed with me that not every hole has to be "strategic" - sometimes you can just have a hole that says "you need to hit three good shots here." I told him the hole was disliked by many, and he liked it despite his score (his tee shot hung out well right).

12. We both enjoyed it. Hit what we thought were shots short-right, to what turns out to be a back-left hole, but when we got up there, our balls were middle of the green and had actually hit back right and rolled back down the slope a little.

13. Beast into the wind. He was short-right with Driver, 3W, I putted from the fringe front-left after hitting the same two clubs. 495 or so from the tees we played.

14. He didn't get the controversy here either. We both hit driver (probably should have hit 3W) to just in front of the bunker. He was more to the right so he could see more green, I played a little bit safer left. I had a 25-footer for birdie, he had an five-footer.

15. We had to play further left than we'd have liked given the wind into our faces.

I hope to maybe someday play the course when it's firm and fast. I think it'd be a hoot and a half. But, I'm glad to have played it twice when I did. The course was in better shape than I remembered, and the lack of any information about where on the green the holes were cut drove me nuts. I liked it, and I hated it at the same time! :)
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2019, 07:50:53 PM »
Just recently I buffed up my Dormie Club album from a shoulder season visit in 2015:


http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/DormieClub/index.html
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Jay Mickle

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2020, 07:13:03 AM »
The Dormie Club is addressing the long walks around the natural areas.



Work in progress on 15.





Completed walkway on 17.


I don't know if others are planned at this time but there is a lot of construction in progress: new clubhouse and numerous guest cabins and more.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2020, 07:46:03 AM »
Great to see the improvements continue. The walkways will cut down on a lot of steps which previously required you to circle around the natural areas. Looking forward to another play soon.


corey miller

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2020, 03:17:36 PM »



Aren't we being a little polite calling those walkways through the natural areas? ??? [size=78%] They look a lot more like cart paths to me especially in light of the bumpers they have running down both sides.  [/size]

rjsimper

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2020, 08:12:33 PM »
Excellent to see them addressing the walk on 15. It was always my least enjoyable part of what is reliably an otherwise great experience.


Maybe that and trudging up 17 after having hit a poor shot...amazing how much different the walk up 17 feels being on the green in two versus in the waste in 3.






John Kavanaugh

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Re: Dormie Club - Coore/Crenshaw
« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2020, 08:27:32 PM »



Aren't we being a little polite calling those walkways through the natural areas? ??? [size=78%] They look a lot more like cart paths to me especially in light of the bumpers they have running down both sides.  [/size]


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