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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2020, 03:31:46 PM »
Another Ross, this one the Baisden Shores GC in Tampa which was discussed in this earlier thread:

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,65185.msg1553700.html#msg1553700

Dec. 13, 1925 Tampa Tribune -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2020, 03:35:21 PM »
A 1924 project at Deemer Beach Park in New Castle, DE.

July 3, 1924 The Evening Journal -

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V. Kmetz

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2020, 05:03:31 PM »
SN,


Was there a mention of Hessian Hills in Croton-on-Hudson NY (on most of the acreage that now comprises Hudson National)?


Those who have visited or longed to have been charmed by the signature stone "ruins" on HN's 4th green/5th tee; most of those were of the intended Hessian Hills clubhouse, a manorial estate campus to be converted to club use.


... this was a Cuthbert Butchart design, routed in 1926, which was slated for a Summer 1928 opening. It never was realized/never officially opened and its "campus" was burned down in a prosecuted arson which caused sensational headlines and a Perry Mason type trial in the early 30s. 


Hessian Hills only got 13 of its 18 planned holes rough cleared of trees, and only 4 of those (those closest to the clubhouse/estate campus) were "finished" in a way by which a club member plunking down $1000 in the late 1920s (or today) would demand their money back. There were stumps and large rocks still in every "fairway", no water system ever implemented, dead-turfed, planted but never-mowed greens and unfilled bunkers.
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[/size]***The only portion of Hessian Hills remotely recognizable in Fazio's Hudson National are the latter's 3rd and 4th hole, which were #1, 18 and a portion of warm up range in the Hessian scheme.
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[/size]If you're interested in further clippings or detailed routing plans, contact me off camera... I did the 20th anniversary book for HN three years ago and unearthed a trove of Hessian stuff.
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[/size]Lastly, between Hessian Hills and Hudson National 65 years later, there was the late 1980s RTJ design of Prickly Pear Country Club intended for the property, but never passed DEP muster and by 1992-3, passed onto the Hudson National founding investors' interest.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2020, 05:43:21 PM »
Sven,


I admire your tenacity.  Given the thousands and thousands of projects that never got off the ground, looks like you're gonna be busy with old fish wrap clippings for quite awhile!  ;D
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2020, 05:56:08 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on January 29, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
Sven,


I admire your tenacity.  Given the thousands and thousands of projects that never got off the ground, looks like you're gonna be busy with old fish wrap clippings for quite awhile!  ;D


Kalen:

To quote the other Robert Hunter:

Did he doubt or did he try?
Answers aplenty in the bye and bye
Talk about your plenty and talk about your ills
One man gathers what another man spills

Sven
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2020, 06:12:18 PM »
To no great surprise, California probably leads the list in projects that didn't make it to fruition.

First up, Women's G&CC, an 18 hole project in Los Angeles that was to be designed by William Watson.

July 24, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



July 29, 1927 Van Nuys News -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2020, 06:25:08 PM »
Sepulveda CC, a project that started with John Duncan Dunn as the architect with the course eventually being designed by William Bell before not being built at all.

July 22, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



July 30, 1924 Long Beach Telegram -



Aug. 15, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Sept. 11, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Sept. 14, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Sept. 16, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Oct. 10, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Oct. 29, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Nov. 10, 1924 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2020, 06:31:30 PM »
Another Los Angeles area Bell project from right around the same time as Sepulveda, this one was the Santa Susanna CC (lka Biltmore CC).

Nov. 12, 1924 Oxnard Press-Courier -



Nov. 14, 1924 Van Nuys News -



Nov. 16, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



Nov. 17, 1924 Los Angeles Times -



May 9, 1925 Oxnard Press-Courier -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2020, 06:36:17 PM »
And a third Bell project, Edgar Rice Burroughs' Rolling Hills CC.

July 10, 1925 Los Angeles Times -





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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2020, 07:27:05 PM »
Redwoods CC, Guerneville, CA - 1926

Dec. 29, 1926 Petaluma Argus-Courier -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2020, 07:30:39 PM »
A course near Pinole and Crockett  - 1923 - Willie Locke

Oct. 11, 1923 Oakland Tribune -



Oct. 14, 1923 Oakland Tribune -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2020, 07:36:57 PM »
A 9 hole course in Orange Cove, CA from 1924.

March 12, 1924 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2020, 07:41:36 PM »
One of a number of roadside resorts in Northern California, McCrays Resort had plans to build a course in 1926.

Aug. 6, 1926 Cloverdale Reveille -



Aug. 7, 1926 Press Democrat -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2020, 07:44:16 PM »
Another Bell, this time in Los Alamitos.

Aug. 28, 1932 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2020, 07:55:19 PM »
Months prior to the first announcements for the Santa Susana CC project noted above, another course had briefly been in the works in Santa Susana with John Duncan Dunn named as architect.

May 19, 1924 Oxnard Press-Courier -



June 1, 1924 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2020, 08:01:36 PM »
And another Bell, La Cuesta Encantada GC in San Fernando from 1926.

June 24, 1926 Los Angeles Times -



July 4, 1926 Los Angeles Times -



July 9, 1926 Van Nuys News -



Aug. 8, 1926 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2020, 08:05:04 PM »
A municipal Bell project from the Depression that was to built with WPA funds on Hermosa Terrace in Colton.

July 23, 1936 San Bernardino County Sun -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2020, 09:54:34 PM »
Golfers' CC of Calabasas, plans for two 18 hole courses to be designed by John Duncan Dunn.  MacKenzie visited here and offered suggestions.

The last article below suggests that the first course opened, but I haven't found anything that suggests the club lasted for any meaningful time.  There is no mention of the second 18 ever being built.

April 17, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



May 23, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



June 2, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



June 30, 1927 Burbank Daily Evening Review -



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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2020, 10:15:51 PM »
Dana Point Yacht and CC has been discussed hereabouts quite a bit.  At one point or another Dunn, Behr, Bell, MacKenzie and Hunter were involved with the project.

Initially Dunn built a temporary 9 hole course with plans to build two 36 permanent holes.  Pictures of the temporary course indicate it was located on the cliff tops, while maps of the community note the permanent courses were to be located further inland.  It appears that only the temporary course was ever built.

March 19, 1925 Santa Ana Register -



Jan. 15, 1927 Los Angeles Times -



Jan. 16, 1927 Los Angeles Times -





March 13, 1927 Los Angeles Times -








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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2020, 11:13:54 PM »
Another course with a big cast of characters.  Cave Landing CC at Pismo Beach was to be designed by John Duncan Dunn in collaboration with George Thomas and Peter Cooper Bryce with mention of MacKenzie at some point.

Nov. 18, 1926 Arroyo Grande Valley Herald -



Jan. 30, 1927 Los Angeles Times -




Feb. 6, 1927 Los Angeles Times -


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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2020, 11:16:38 PM »
Casa Lomitas was to be an 18 hole course designed by Sam Whiting.

April 10, 1929 Sacramento Bee -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2020, 11:20:26 PM »
Another John Duncan Dunn project.

Oct. 17, 1926 Los Angeles Times -



Oct. 26, 1926 Los Angeles Times -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #72 on: January 29, 2020, 11:25:18 PM »
Beverley Terrace GC, a William Watson project in Oakland.

March 16, 1921 San Francisco Chronicle -

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #73 on: January 29, 2020, 11:32:08 PM »
Almont CC in Los Angeles.

June 21, 1924 Los Angeles Evening Express -



Oct. 1, 1924 Los Angeles Evening Express -

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Re: What Might Have Been
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2020, 11:45:55 PM »
Acacia CC in San Dimas, which started its journey as Temple CC, was to be designed by John Duncan Dunn.

June 13, 1926 Los Angeles Times -



June 22, 1926 Los Angeles Times -



July 4, 1926 Los Angeles Times -

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