[Jay Mickle]

This should surely help grow the game. Can't imagine any young girl not wanting to be subject to these obviously necessary and reasonable rules.

[JESII]

I've said for years that they should not answer the phone when someone's calling about a rules issue...but if they are going to answer it, have the balls to rule correctly.

[John Kavanaugh]

They need to take Mike Davis out and see how close he remarks his ball in a short skirt.

[BCowan]

even if she placed the ball off just a little it id not change the outcome and if it was not called at that time then be done with it...BUT even if you give her 2 strokes there....and you decide today to penalize her then don't penalize for an incorrect scorecard....
I wonder if she were a Democrat instead of a Republican if this would have been called in?

Brilliant

[Ted Sirbaugh]

Imagine the next time you're out playing and the ball finishes on the lip and you go ahead and mark the ball and replace it incorrectly, I don't think you'd get a good reaction from your playing partners.

Or also imagine winning a tournament and having an asterisk alongside your name because you breached a rule which was spotted but not enforced.

It's similar to other sports where there is a missed call that isn't spotted until after the game, but the team still wins. If the rule breach is spotted in the moment, then it should of course be enforced.. I just don't think there is a need to enforce it if it is after the round has been completed

So you're ok with breaches of the rules so long as they are not spotted?

I agree that Lexi was careless.. but if the breach is not discovered until after the round is completed and the scorecard is signed, then I do not think that they should be able to go back and call a penalty for the previous day.. especially if the beach is reported by a viewer

[Padraig Dooley]

I have breaches from prior Masters, are we going to audit every golf tourney?  So u are for a police state?

As I've said when the result of the tournament is announced the result is final and there's no going back. And I've no problem with rules breaches being penalised after they happen and before the tournament is over.


Is this what you mean by a police state?

[Chris DeNigris]

If they retroactively imposed a penalty they should allow her to retroactively re-sign her card. 

Since Mike Y is correct and you cannot exactly replace your ball after a mark-what is the accepted tolerance? Eighth of an inch? Quarter?, 3 eighths? No intent, no advantage...it's then a subjective call. Not like she moved her ball a putter length and forgot to adjust the mark.

[BCowan]

I have breaches from prior Masters, are we going to audit every golf tourney?  So u are for a police state?

As I've said when the result of the tournament is announced the result is final and there's no going back. And I've no problem with rules breaches being penalised after they happen and before the tournament is over.

What is the point of signing a scorecard after each day of play, he'll why even have participates keep score?  That day of play is over when scorecard is signed. 

Is this what you mean by a police state?



No, that is not a police state

[Jerry Kluger]

How about when you are asked to move your marker and you do so by lining up your putter with some distant object - how close do you think you are to the original location - I bet that Lexi's marker was a heck of a lot closer than most people's marker after they have moved and then replaced their marker. Just wait until that is called in.


It is a shame that this only happens to the best players because they are the ones who are covered by tv.

[Mark Pavy]

There was nothing inadvertent or sloppy about the ball placement. She cheated.

[Mike_Young]

There was nothing inadvertent or sloppy about the ball placement. She cheated.

Cheating is a strong word.....how many people did the same thing how many times during that one tourney...

JK, he doesn't wear that skirt in public.....

[Steve Lang]

   All I really want to know is who called this in?  What's their name, EMANON?

[Mike_Young]

The caddy's nickname for VP Witter the rules official is "Cloud"

[Wade Whitehead]

So, what are they going to do when someone calls in on Monday about an infraction on Sunday?

WW

[Chris DeNigris]

So if Sherlock Holmes sees the violation live and calls/emails in immediately, then Lexi is notified by officials yesterday of her 2 stroke penalty and signs a correct scorecard. But in this case Sherlock was too busy on Saturday to actually tune in so he's late in performing his public service and because of his laggardness there's an extra 2 strokes tacked on. Ok, that sounds about right. Worse yet, he sees it live but turns out he's pulling for Petterson and knows that if he waits until today to notify....

[Jim Nugent]

If a player throws a ball out from behind a tree and their playing partners don't see it but it is seen on tv, should that be ignored?

There's at least one crucial difference.  If you throw your ball out from behind a tree you gain a huge advantage.  That was not true for Lexi, who was facing a tap-in.  The equivalent of accidentally jaywalking across an empty street 

Back in the 1950s, one of the world's top golfers -- Bobby Locke IIRC -- placed his ball incorrectly on the 72nd green of the Open Championship.  When he  holed out, he won the tournament.  Then someone noted his mistake.  The R&A ruled no harm, no foul.  Locke won the tournament, as seems to me eminently reasonable.   

[Will MacEwen]

So, what are they going to do when someone calls in on Monday about an infraction on Sunday?

WW

Probably nothing like when Mark ItNearer won on the Euro tour with a glaring breach. The competition is closed.


Does Lexi actually think she should get away with such an obvious infraction? 

[Wayne_Kozun]

I agree that after the scorecards are signed the score should be final- having emails or phone calls change the outcome is BS.


I don't know if she was consciously cheating but how can you excuse a mark like that when she obviously misplaces the ball after only a second and after only lifting the ball an inch or so. Very strange.  It sure looks like the intent of her "marking" was to move the ball.

[Will MacEwen]

Is it just me or should the player not be more embarrassed than indignant when such an obvious violation of the rules is detected like this?

[Steve Lang]

   probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

[Will MacEwen]

  probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

Or just play by the rules. I never understand why there is such a groundswell of support to see a player get away with a flagrant rules violation.

[Chris DeNigris]

  probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

Or just play by the rules. I never understand why there is such a groundswell of support to see a player get away with a flagrant rules violation.

The groundswell is about a stupid rule administered stupidly.

[Will MacEwen]

  probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

Or just play by the rules. I never understand why there is such a groundswell of support to see a player get away with a flagrant rules violation.

The groundswell is about a stupid rule administered stupidly.

Which rule? The one about properly marking your ball or the one about accurately recording your score? Which one is stupid?

[Chris DeNigris]

  probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

Or just play by the rules. I never understand why there is such a groundswell of support to see a player get away with a flagrant rules violation.

The groundswell is about a stupid rule administered stupidly.

Which rule? The one about properly marking your ball or the one about accurately recording your score? Which one is stupid?

Well, read the dozen or so comments made in this thread having to due with the arbitrary nature of the rule and especially the timing of how it was applied in this case.

[Will MacEwen]

  probably you...


perhaps the will also cause player's review of the habit of marking their ball incessantly, even on short putts, a bad habit.. just putt the damn thing in the hole and move on, unless its match play of course

Or just play by the rules. I never understand why there is such a groundswell of support to see a player get away with a flagrant rules violation.

The groundswell is about a stupid rule administered stupidly.

Which rule? The one about properly marking your ball or the one about accurately recording your score? Which one is stupid?

Well, read the dozen or so comments made in this thread having to due with the arbitrary nature of the rule and especially the timing of how it was applied in this case.

Second time I will ask what rule?


She marked her ball nearer the hole, signed for an inaccurate score and is somehow the victim. Which rule is specifically stupid and how? I'm not a big fan of marking the ball nearer the hole or submitting and signing for an inaccurate score.


Mark your ball like a player and the rules are fine.

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