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Marc Haring

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Wentworth West?
« on: May 30, 2016, 08:56:49 AM »
I hear the owners are going to rip up the greens next week and change the design back to the more original Harry Colt course ready for next years PGA. Anyone know any more details?

David_Tepper

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« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 09:02:05 AM by David_Tepper »

Marc Haring

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« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 10:44:12 AM by Marc Haring »

David Davis

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 12:15:10 PM »
To me it's absolutely amazing that they would have a design firm that completely destroyed the course come back to redo it again. I'll have to see original photos and renovation photos side by side before I'd believe the course has anything to do with the original Colt version before bothering to every visit again myself.


I guess the Australian in Sydney did something similar by bringing Jack back to try and fix the mess that was made there.


Sorry I'm not more positive about this video but a bunch of tour pros suggesting they brought back the Harry Colt intentions in a course yet still aim to keep it the flagship event on the European Tour are not very convincing.
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Marc Haring

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 12:34:42 PM »
Yes it was somewhat bizarre that Ernie states at the beginning that "we have really come up with a nice product this time"!!!!! well what happened to last time? ???


Also they seem to infer that Harry Colt's greens were more subtle. Surely they removed his old third green because it was too flamboyant and replaced it with a piece of sterile crap.


Having said that I have to reserve judgment until I travel the 80 miles to have a look. Visually the bunkers do not look good to me but nothing 30 years of neglect can't sort out.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 12:45:50 PM by Marc Haring »

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 12:48:01 PM »
The quotes in the Golf Monthly article are a damning indictment of Ernie Els Design. Must have been a humbling experience for him to have to re-do what he did only a few years before.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 01:13:39 PM »
New owners and a few years since the re-do was first done so would it be correct to assume some more cash changed hands? Otherwise..........
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Martin Toal

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 03:11:55 AM »
To me it's absolutely amazing that they would have a design firm that completely destroyed the course come back to redo it again. I'll have to see original photos and renovation photos side by side before I'd believe the course has anything to do with the original Colt version before bothering to every visit again myself.


I guess the Australian in Sydney did something similar by bringing Jack back to try and fix the mess that was made there.


Sorry I'm not more positive about this video but a bunch of tour pros suggesting they brought back the Harry Colt intentions in a course yet still aim to keep it the flagship event on the European Tour are not very convincing.


Wasn't the issue that Els et al were not allowed to do what they wanted to do by the plastic-faced owner of the time, Richard Caring, who had a fixation about the 17th at Sawgrass, hence the hideous changes to the 18th?

Josh Stevens

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 06:57:53 AM »
I'm not sure anyone in the UK cares.  Wentworth is very highly regarded from outside, but sneered at from within the UK.  Its always been little more than some third rate nouveau riche country club for vulgar celebs and foreigners.  No member of Sunningdale or Swinley would be seen dead in the place.

Richard Fisher

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 10:13:33 AM »
It's certainly questionable whether the continued use of Wentworth West really helps what we are endlessly told is the flagship event of the European tour. On reflection, it's not questionable at all. With the demise of the World Match-Play, and the gradual passing of a generation (like Peter Alliss) for whom Wentworth really was the major British inland championship venue (moreso than Sunningdale or Ganton, which remains the only inland course to host the Amateur Championship), its status and reputation (and rankings, for what that's worth) seem to have been in gradual decline, even if I wouldn't perhaps be quite as dismissive as the previous post! It would certainly come a distant fourth for me given a free choice between it and Sunningdale, The Berkshire, Swinley - although in fairness I have always heard good things about the (much shorter) East Course.

Tom Kelly

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2017, 12:01:18 PM »
It has been improved.

It will never be the heather clad, rustic, almost tree-less beast that many on GCA would like for a host of different reasons and if you listen to what Ernie says fully you will get an idea of why he/his team came back, and it wasn't for the money.

As a 'tour' venue it has alot going for it.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2017, 12:09:18 PM by Tom Kelly »

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Wentworth West?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 02:15:09 AM »
Tom,


even as recently as the late 80's when I played it several times it was surprising how much heather and heathland there still was at Wentworth. Underneath all the gaudy renovation work there is a very, very good course. The problem is that it has been tinkered with with no real overall concept and has turned into a Frankenstein's monster where it is all disjointed and fits ill together. It has been altered for television where 'green is god' which is an ill fit for the heathland look and also the spectacular oneshot event hence the 18th which was always considered weak but was actually a great matchplay hole and the scene of many great finishes in the World Matchplay.


Jon