I have seen the original Redan at North Berwick, haved played a Flynn version of such a hole at Huntingdon Valley (A3 - the bunker shot is easy from left of the green!) but have never seen a Macdonald/Raynor/Banks version (the 'template'). I have played Gibralter at Moortown in Leeds.
My question is - are there any real differences between what we often call a redan type hole and Gibralter? There may be differences with the original Redan.
The Redan at North Berwick. What struck me was the incredible movement in the ground. Play is across fronting bunkers set into a hill perhaps 15 yards short of the green. Beyond the hill is a blind valley, perhaps 10 feet deep with perhaps 25 degree downslope then upslope to the green. The right hand side falls away quickly, with three bunkers set perhaps 20 feet below the green. The left hand side is protected by a deep bunker (see the older photo). The green is blind from the tee, and falls away from front right to back left. The tee shot is uphill, slightly.
A google aerial of the hole. The tee is on the left, the greenside bunkers and valley are apparent in the photo.
The Redan bunker - an old photo.
Sorry, no pictures of North Berwick West #15 (redan) - the camera wasn't working that day. Someone might post one.
Gibralter. Similar length (about 190 yards) slightly uphill, but more of an opening on the right, and a small visible landing area for a ground-game shot. The bunkers on the right are set just above green height, although the left bunker is set below the green and quite deep. The green doesn't fall away at the back but has a little movement from right to left, particularly on the right half of the green.
A google aerial, playing from the left to right.
The view from the tee, looking east into the early morning October sun.
A view of the left hand bunker.
Wayne Morrison posted this picture of the Philadelphia CC #7 hole - a Flynn Redan style hole. With a little bit of short grass between the green and bunkers, and a slight pruning of the rh edge of the fronting bunker, we are close to Gibralter, IMO.
And here is Flynn's A-3 at Huntingdon Valley, with high ground on the right.
Any comments
James B