[Mike Nuzzo]

Ladies and Gentleman,
As we have 24, more or less, Ryder Cup it is.

Here's the format:
2 Teams East vs. West
Match play (no strokes)
Black Mesa I - Four Ball (Play your own ball)
Black Mesa II - Team Better Ball (Play the better ball*)
Paa-Ko Ridge - Singles

Team East:
Lou Duran - TX (Yes Monday)
Michael Whitaker - SC (Yes Monday)
Ran Morrisset - NC (Yes Monday)
Baxter Spann - TX (Yes Monday)
Steve Lang - TX (2) Sunday at Paa-Ko
Shelia Lang - TX
Mike Nuzzo - TX (Yes Monday)
David Silk - MA (Yes monday)
Bill McBride - FL (no monday)
Jonathan Cummings - MD (no monday)
Richard Daley - Wild Horse, WS (Yes Monday)
George Pazin - PA

Team West:
Tom Huckaby - CA (no monday)
Brad Swanson - CO (no monday)
Paul Hermsmeyer - NE (Yes monday)
Doug Weiss - NE (Yes monday)
Doug Wright - CO (no monday)
John Vander Borght - OR / PA (Yes Monday)
Rick Holland - IL
Craig Edgmand - OR / OK (no monday)
Adam Clayman - NM (Yes Monday)
Kevin Fredrickson  - CA (no monday)
Jason Hinez - NE (no monday)
Mike Nordstrom - NM (Yes Monday)

Four Ball - Team match play.  Best score on the hole, wins the hole for the team.
Team Better Ball - Team hits 2 tee shots, plays from better ball.  Repeat.  Proceed until holed out.  Team with lowest score wins the hole.
Matches can only award a single point (or half point) towards the cup.  If you get trounced, you only loose a point.  All in good fun!
*While I understand this isn't exact Ryder Cup format, it's best for the group.

As soon as I get most of your indexes, I'll be posting your tee times.  Chop, Chop!  I'll be making up your index if I don't get one.  I've seen a few of y'all play.

Cheers

[THuckaby2]

Yahoooooo!

This sounds great and Team West is ready to do some serious damage.

One clarification though:  "fourball" IS team better ball.  Do you mean "foursome" (ie alternate shot)?  I am such a damn stickler for this, having watched too many Cups on TV...  

My current index is 3.9 - that ought to get me 5 handicap at either of these courses, unless we play way up tees.  Any slope over 130 means I get 5.  130 or less and I get 4.  Given I haven't broken 80 in a good long time, I need every shot I can get.  

Mr. Fredrickson is 14.0.  That oughtta get him 16 handicap.

And I notice you did get JV and Craig E. back where they belong with us westerners...  

See ya soon!

TH

[ForkaB]

Gentlemen

Please post all putative indices and actual scores, as I understand that the Generalissimo is going to make "playing to your handicap" a sine qua non in terms of posting privileges next year.

[THuckaby2]

Holy crap... if that's the case then I gotta bag on this gig.  No way can I play to my handicap lately, and I like posting here way to much to jeopardize my privileges!

But wait... there is a loophole... all play will be at match play... Maybe if I pick up enough, the score will be at least somewhat in line with the index...

WHEW!

OK, you can post my results.    

TH

[Doug Wright]

Mike,

AllI can say is "Bring It On!"  

Thanks for your efforts, now excuse me while I head to the range for the next 10 days...

PS Handicap 6

[Scott_Burroughs]

Rich,

You're expecting playing to one's handicap despite playing on unfamiliar courses, all while folks will be chatting it up the whole time, not concentrating on their games?    That and supposedly the wind really howls in the afternoons there.

My average scores playing with GCA guys are probably minimum 5 strokes higher than home rounds for these reasons (not so much the wind).  It's all about the company (and some pretty good courses, too).  

[A_Clay_Man]

11.8  

I assume the hndcps are for pairing purposes since there are no strokes in the match. Is four ball, one ball gross? one net, or combo? I

Also, Please keep in mind that Mike Nordstrom and myself will be bringing some from of 1st and 2nd place trophies. I assume they will be presented to the captain of each team. Is that acceptable?

[Brad Swanson]

Mike,
   I haven't played but 8 rounds this year (one in the last 3 months ), but my official handicap last year was a 2, so I'm guessing you can put me down as a 4 or 5.  No guarantees either way.
   Now, I'm off to find Doug at the range!!!

Cheers,
Brad

[ForkaB]

Scott

Who said golf was FAIR!  And....as long as you have been following this website you must know that it is all about the architecture and NOT the camaraderie.  But, if you must....enjoy.......

[THuckaby2]

Gentlemen, I would have to guess that Mike just wants our handicaps so he can set up fair matches, as we TRIED to do at The King's Putter event.  It does work best with no strokes, so just look for him to match you against people of similar handicap situation.

I just hope I have time to hit the range between now and then myself!

And of course this game is anything but fair.  

But this is also a great reason to do match play... gross scores truly need never be reported... One can say, "hey, I lost 7&6, but it's because my opponent played out of his mind."

Don't ask why I am so familiar with this...  

TH

[JohnV]

Sounds like a good time to be had.  I'm an 8.1 index

[Jonathan Cummings]

Mike - the onus I must bear is embarrassing but true - 13.2
- Cummings

[George Pazin]

You will have to pry my index from my cold dead fingers. Pair me with the highest handicapper from the westerners & I'll do my best.

[Bill_McBride]

My index is 12.8 on September 1st handicap sheets.  That's a 13 at our 125 course, no idea what any of the NM courses are.

The afternoon round at Black Mesa is two man scramble, right?  Good second round format.

Tom Huckaby, the pairings were okay at KP2 except that Scott Clem had no business whatsoever making six birdies or whatever he threw at Kevin Reilly!  So we are retroactively filing a protest with the commissioner.   But wait a minute, that was you..............     So I guess we'll just have to wait for next year.

[Scott_Burroughs]

Rich,

FWIW, I'm not attending this event.

Studying architecture is part of the 'chatting' I referred to.

[ForkaB]

Scott

I am not attending either and am just as envious as you about those who are.  However, in terms of "unfamiliar courses" etc. isn't this what handicaps and "slope" are for, or is the "Pope of Slope" USGA handicapping system perhaps fallible?  I've seen recent evidence that it is...........

[THuckaby2]

Mr. McBride:

The prowess of Mr. Clem was duly noted.  Next year he gets Fortson.  

And Mike, GREAT call re the formats, and thanks for the clarification.

TH

[Craig Van Egmond]

Just a quick question from a flatlander with no golf experience at altitude, what kind of yardage difference can one expect going from 800 feet to 7000 feet?

If I hit my 7 iron 150 yards here maybe 10 more yards?

[Brad Swanson]

Craig,
   Some people claim you gain up to 20% at a mile-high, which suggests that a 250yd drive will become 300yds, and your 150yd 7 iron should travel 180yds.  I've lived in Denver for 4 years, and I would guess that 8-12% is more accurate here at a mile high.  Some people also claim that the balls don't curve nearly as much due to the thinner air.  Playing as a single the majority of the time and playing with alot of random slicers, I wouldn't count on the thin air to straighten-out your curves much, either .
   Now, if you play a round at 9,000 feet (Breckenridge or Vail), the difference in distance is nearly exponential!!


Cheers,
Brad Swanson

[Doug Wright]

Craig,

I'd say about 10%--my 150 yard 7 iron at sea level goes 165 here at Mile High.

Santa Fe's at 7,000 feet so I'd probably be 170+ with a 7 iron there. It takes some dialing in. If you haven't experienced it, the ball seems to hang in the air a loooonng time...

All The Best,  

[JohnV]

The USGA High Altitude Shot Length Table for Men shows the scratch golfer's 250 yard drive going 275 at 7000 feet or 10%.

[RJ_Daley]

15.4

[Kevin_Reilly]

Mr. McBride:

The prowess of Mr. Clem was duly noted.  Next year he gets Fortson.  

Thanks Tom, I felt like (Giants pitcher) Atlee Hammaker after that All Star Game pummelling he took back in the 80's.

[Bill_McBride]

Recollecting a summer at Lake Tahoe (44 years ago,  ), as important as extra distance is the effect of altitude on exercise such as walking Black Mesa.  This may prove to be a literally "breathtaking" experience!    I'm hoping to walk the morning round and ride the p.m., but could be problematic given the 7,000 foot elevation.  Any Coloradans or New Mexicans have input?

Re: extra distance, the 4th at the little Glenbrook course at Lake Tahoe, 5,000 feet, is 225 yds.  We hit regularly hit 5-irons, in the 1959 days of balata and forged irons.

[RJ_Daley]

All I can say is; don't be a hero with the liquor or brew as you will be severely effected if you aren't used to the altitude.  You can't drink 10% more at altitude like you can golf your ball further.  Hangovers are at least 10% greater.  You will be very sad if you miss your morning tee time because you didn't take heed to this warning.

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