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JohnV

Re:So.. what's your USGA or FUN index?
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2003, 01:35:55 PM »
John Foley,

An 11 point change seems high to me also.  Did the course rating change?  If the course rating went down, it is possible that the bogey rating didn't change and that would account for the difference.  Courses get re-rated every 5 to 7 years (new ones get a second rating 1-3 years after they open.)

Where you playing it 5 to 7 years ago?  If so, can you think of other changes such as rough height or green speed that might make a difference.

Most of the time that we re-do a rating a change of 3 or more points would seem like a lot without some set of changes.

The rating is not calculated on the scores that people are shooting, it is based on a set of measurements and tables in the course rating guide.

If the slope went up that much and the course rating didn't change, lots of peoples handicaps are going to come down in a hurry.

Mike Benham

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Re:So.. what's your USGA or FUN index?
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2003, 01:38:04 PM »
I'd love to see these numbers vs. 15 years ago...

What year did the "slope" become part of the calculation of the "index"?

Although I haven't done the statistical calculations to prove my theory, I believe that the introduction of the "slope" rating lowered everyone's handicap ...

I am shocked by those USGA numbers ... a lot of people lying or not posting is my guess ...
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John Foley

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Re:So.. what's your USGA or FUN index?
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2003, 01:41:32 PM »
John,

It was about 4 years ago. Rating changed from 69.7 to 70, so not that much. Nothing else (rough, green speeds) changed much if anything at all. Very surprised when I saw it.
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JLahrman

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Re:So.. what's your USGA or FUN index?
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2003, 01:47:32 PM »
Would green speed affect the slope?  Green speed would affect the course rating the way I understand the system.

Scott Seward

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Re:So.. what's your USGA or FUN index?
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2003, 07:41:25 PM »
Yes - higher green speed will up the slope (but only above 10 on the Stimp and on a highly sloped green). Also, a jump of 11 in Slope can be attributed to cleaning up problems from past ratings. The Slope system was only introduced in 1987 so some course might only have been re-rated a few times. Ratings only must be dome once every ten years byUSGA mandate, sooner by some regional association policies.

The other thing to remember is that handicaps represent only a small sub-set of golfers (albeit avid golfers). There are 25 million golfers - only 5 million have handicaps.

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