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Mike_Cirba

Today I played a course built in the 90s by a well-known architect.

The site was a challenge to say the least.  Although there is plenty of acreage, the total elevation change on the property is significant, (360 feet in all...it sits below a ski slope), it was cut out of a forest, and there are any number of steep areas falling into low-lying wetlands.

From a design standpoint, almost every hole was "shelved" out of a sideslope, with the higher side "cut" in a way that falls to an artificially flatter playing area, with the low side falling to oblivion.  Almost every hole required some carry over wetland areas, so much so as to account for a course rating of 75.4 (par 71) and slope rating of 149 from the back tees which are under 7000 yards.

Almost every green was fairly large, with very little in the way of internal contour, or slope (in fact, most greens were so artificially constructed as to slope in the opposite direction from the prevailing terrain), clearly to accommodate modern green speeds.  I only had one putt today which broke more than a foot, despite the hilly terrain.  

The rainy year made it tough to determine if the course always plays as soft as it did today, although the configuration of the holes cut into sideslopes makes it difficult to imagine that there aren't always some drainage problems as water runs from the high points down to the levelled-out fairways and greens.  

Although the course has numerous bunkers, most were fairly shallow and were filled with clean, uniform, white sand.  

The only thing that differentiated this course in terms of the type of stereotypical jaundiced view we tend to have of modern golf was fairway width, and subsequent tee shot strategy.  

Still, despite the fact that the course has a fair number of interesting holes, it was so artificial in appearance, and so generally bland in playability, as to be a dud overall.  

I left the course thinking about the fact that if I didn't know who designed it, I would have been unable to guess among 50 modern architects, so routinized were the man-made stylings on each hole.  

So, I was left with the question...

On an admittedly tough site, with the type of challenges that I described above, is there a better way?

What kind of things can a talented architect do to negate such difficulties?  I was struck by the fact that almost every hole was routed along the sideslopes, with very few holes going strictly up or down hill.  While I'm not a big fan of "drop shot" holes, I did think about the fact that Seth Raynor, at Yale and elsewhere, did not shirk from creating fairly severe uphill holes.  Those type of holes were completely missing from the course I played today, and I began to wonder if the problem isn't one of modern notions of visibility.  In fact, despite the severity of the property, there wasn't a single hole with a blind or even semi-blind shot.  

Perhaps not coincidentally, neither was there a hole that stood out as surprising, stimulating, or looking like something that was originally creative or utilizing the natural lay of the land.  

Is the answer to not build on such a site?  Or, are modern notions of what golf courses are supposed to look and play like restricting the creativity of modern designers?
« Last Edit: August 19, 2003, 12:33:12 AM by Mike_Cirba »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2003, 01:39:13 AM »
Mike, were you in California and didn't call me?

T_MacWood

Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2003, 07:05:55 AM »
The ability to move mountains might be a curse in these cases. It takes a lot of imagination and courage to build something like Cascades or Cape Breton...you come away with an increased appreciation after reading your description. On the other hand those sites were pretty special...not just a long constant slope down the side of a mountain.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2003, 07:53:30 AM »
Mike,
Is this inevitable because of diminishing available land, higher land prices, and housing-related golf developments?  Sites less conducive to golf courses are used for golf courses, and become more artificial in appearance?

I can name several relatively recently built courses in Atlanta in which the course is centered within a huge housing development.  It is fairly obvious on each that the best land went to the subdivision, and the golf course got the severe elevation changes, sidehill fairways, etc.  That, in turn, dictates that the greens be placed in either whatever flat spots are available and/or carved out of the side or front of a hill.

I especially have in mind two courses here, Windermere by DLIII and Co. which is excellent, and another that I won't name because it is absolutely wretched, that were built on sites that seem to be like this.  One common element that both have is massive green to tee distances winding through the housing to the next available site for a hole, rendering the course unwalkable.  Another common element is hugely elevated tees, and the third would a sense in the golfer who pays attention to GCA that the site had to be a tremendous challenge to both design and build.

As to the contours of the greens, my assumption is that this is, on daily fee courses, all about money.  Play is faster and maintenance costs are lower.  Maybe some of the architects could tell me if this is true or not.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Mike_Cirba

Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2003, 09:55:49 AM »
Tommy;

I did indeed think about California yesterday while playing, especially looking at the staircased fairways.  ;)

A.G. Crockett;

I understand what you're saying, and I've played quite a number of similar courses.  

Interestingly, yesterdays course differed because it does not have much in the way of housing (yet still has long green to tee jaunts), and is a private club.

I tried to think of the best mountain courses, and how they differed in routing.  The course yesterday had two counter clockwise loops, which also seems to be a theme of this "type" of course.    

For instance, Huntingdon Valley is also on some pretty steep property (in fairness, not as steep as where I played) yet Flynn managed to use the natural terrain effectively.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2003, 09:56:48 AM by Mike_Cirba »

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2003, 02:29:00 PM »
I had a choice yesterday of going to the dentist for an excruciatingly painful procedure, or playing Tehama. Naturally I played golf......wrong choice!

In spite of a scene of great beauty, the ups and downs of the course are really off-putting.

I believe it a measure of the ingenuity of Jay Morrish that he was able to squeeze in a course on such difficult terrain.

tonyt

Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2003, 05:37:22 PM »
Which golden ager preached that you should route down the hills abruptly, and route up the hills gradually (over a few holes)?

Tom_Doak

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Re:Severe modern courses on tough sites...is there any other way?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2003, 08:52:31 PM »
TonyT:  Sometimes that's easier said than done ... and it leaves you with a lot of uphill holes!

The routing I've been working on the past year and a half for Stone Eagle in Palm Desert is similar to what you describe, Mike.  We've got several holes that are sharply uphill and downhill on the same scale as Pasatiempo 1-9-11-12.  

I'm a bit nervous about how well it will work.  I'm comforted by the fact that the uphill holes are playing right into a mountainside so they won't be playing "blind to the sky."  But I'm certain that shelving all the holes into the sidehills was not the answer here ... especially since you overlook most of the golf course from the starter's shack and it would be a shame not to be looking up and down the holes.