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John Mayhugh

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2014, 11:58:45 AM »
Robin,

Well done.

Will we have a touch of Strantz in the finished product?

Bob

That was my first thought as well.  Congratulations on the project.  Will look forward to following progress.

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2014, 12:04:40 PM »
Delighted to tell you that we've just got unanimous planning approval for the project.

Work will start imminently  :)
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2014, 12:17:08 PM »
Well done Robin.
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2014, 12:26:21 PM »
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Paul Gray

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2014, 01:42:56 PM »
Pretty sure I'd prefer a quirk in the Trossachs but to each their own!
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2015, 10:48:05 PM »
Found several aerials posted on FlickR, on the course under construction here :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127255046@N07/with/15870411763/


Jeff Schley

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 02:49:09 AM »
Any update on this course?  I have not seen anything online that suggests it is finished, just under construction.  Has it been delayed or just under the radar?
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 03:22:41 AM »
It's growing in with a soft opening expected later this year. Rob posted some photos on his Facebook feed a couple of weeks ago of the completed seventeenth, which looks as epic as expected. I know the developers have been a bit funny about sharing information (and letting hacks like me anywhere near the place  :) ) so I will not repost those pics. But Rob reads the site and can do so if he feels it is appropriate.


(Edited to add:)
A slight change to the above. Rob actually linked to the course's newly-launched official website. That's as public domain as can be, so I have no concerns about sharing the address:


https://www.jcbgolfandcountryclub.com
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 07:55:34 AM »
Not just Robin Hiseman...




...the LEGENDARY Robin Hiseman!


 ;)




Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 02:43:36 PM »
That is one cool looking island green, have never seen one look natural

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 03:11:27 PM »
The flat bit to the right of the island is the tee for 18, which I feel very confident in asserting will be a magnificent hole
Adam Lawrence

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Colin Shellard

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2018, 07:24:24 AM »
Looks a great course from the photos - will be interested to hear reports from when it's played. Certainly looks like something that we could see on the European Tour in the future, would be great to have our own version of the John Deere with Mini JCB Back-Hoes as Tee Markers!

Jake Marvin

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2019, 09:53:45 AM »
Hey guys, has anyone made it out to see JCB? I somehow missed this development until reading through a Top100 re-ranking of West Midlands courses where it slid straight into the top spot in Staffordshire. In theory, they think it's a top 100 B&I course, and the review from Keith Baxter is practically gushing. I'm curious to hear exactly how good people think it is and how it compares to the best of England's modern courses.


Also, congrats to Robin Hiseman (one of our own, as noted) for what sounds like a fine course.

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Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2019, 03:42:29 PM »
Hey guys, has anyone made it out to see JCB? I somehow missed this development until reading through a Top100 re-ranking of West Midlands courses where it slid straight into the top spot in Staffordshire. In theory, they think it's a top 100 B&I course, and the review from Keith Baxter is practically gushing. I'm curious to hear exactly how good people think it is and how it compares to the best of England's modern courses.


Also, congrats to Robin Hiseman (one of our own, as noted) for what sounds like a fine course.


Thanks Jake. It's early days but going nicely so far.


I can help with who from GCA has seen JCB so far. I've taken Adam Lawrence a couple of times, James Boon, Clyde Johnson, Neil White. Duncan Cheslett and Ben Stephens had a tour when I wasn't there. Only James has played it.


They've always been very generous with letting genuine architectural enthusiasts in for a tour.
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Ryan Coles

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2019, 04:38:36 PM »

Robin

What did you do specifically to combat the clay soil?


I’ve always been interested in the extent to which clay soil combined with British winters can be mitigated, given a sizeable budget.

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2019, 05:37:02 AM »
Ryan


The simple answer is lots of drainage!


We put in several layers of drainage. We've around 110 catch basins dotted about, which fall directly into the main drains. These mains are not so long, as we dug out 2 kilometres of new ditches.


Mostly, we concentrated on perforated land drains. There is something like 35,000 metres out there at 6-8 metre centres throughout the fairways and semi-roughs. We had problems with this, because you generally cut perf pipe into an established grass surface, so ensuring surface water can reach the drain trench. We had to put the drains in before topsoil was returned, which meant we had hundreds of sand topped trenches at the surface. We tried to place the topsoil between the trenches, but it was impossible, so we decided to abandon that idea and spread the topsoil as normal, with a thinner topping of topsoil over the trench lines. Immediately, this negated the drain function, but we had a plan for that.


Prior to seeding, we spread a thin veneer of sand over all the fairways. It wasn't a sand cap as such, as it was too thin to serve a drainage function, but it gave us a smooth, clean seed bed. We selected a rye/fescue blend for the fairways and surrounds, in recognition of the clay soils. The rye pops quite quickly, which helped us with the final part of the plan.


As soon as the fairways had enough heft to support a vehicle, we sand-banded the entire drained area, diagonally across the line of the perforated drains. This process cuts inch wide, 8 inch deep slits at 250mm centres and immediately fills it with sand. This gave us the surface drainage link. The analogy I use is that if you consider the buried perforated drains to be motorways then the sand bands are the slip roads. As long as the sand bands intersect with the sand in the drain trench then the surface water will reach the drains.


An agronomic benefit of covering the drain lines with topsoil is that the grasses have a uniform growing medium throughout the site and we have less trouble with the drain lines showing during times of drought. You can see the benefit of this in the newly updated Google Earth aerial of the course.


Also, winter play is going to be minimal, so they can ensure the course goes into the summer in tip top shape.


As Adam Lawrence will attest, the site was one of the stickiest you could ever imagine. It's no wonder they made bricks out of it! Our scheme has dried out the soil tremendously well and your shoes should stay pretty clean, so long as you don't wander off into the undrained far roughs!


I hope this answers your question satisfactorily.



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James Bennett

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2019, 06:58:39 AM »
Robin Hiseman

great answer.  My nephew and his in-laws live nearby (about 5 miles away), so I have been watching this closely from 12,000 miles away (we did the JCB tour, with lunch, on our last visit to Uttoxeter in 2017).
Supplementary question.  How much run do the fairways give up with firm clay?  I presume the rye/fescue blend reduces the run somewhat.
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Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2019, 07:24:17 AM »
There's no doubt the rye/fescue blend is inherently more sticky, especially around the greens. The contouring doesn't feed in or spill off as much as it would on dry fescue/bent. Height of cut is key.


There is still run because the site is quite hilly, but it remains within control, which I believe is beneficial for this particular course. The rye/fescue gives a tight, but cushioned lie, which helps with the iron shots.


I would have liked a fescue/bent mix, but on balance believe we made the right choice.
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Ryan Coles

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2019, 10:11:20 AM »
Thanks Robin


Did you limit the number of bunkers due to the soil, or build them with with a liner / synthetic edging to seal off contamination?

Niall C

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2019, 06:55:55 AM »
Robin, thanks for the responses, great to read. I'm not sure if I totally followed what you said to be honest but that's probably more due to my lack of technical knowledge.


Similar to Ryans question about bunkers and the type of soil, did the decision on the grass types influence you on overall length or vice a versa ?


Niall

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2019, 02:07:02 PM »
Ryan:


No, we didn't limit the bunkers due to the soil. They have a BunkerMat liner in them and piped drainage. The clay is good for shaping.  It's nice and stable.


Niall:


No, we have potential tour events to consider, so got what length we could. I've never played it from the tips, but generally mix and match between white and yellow and have never found it too much of a stretch.
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Ryan Coles

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2019, 07:21:36 PM »
Robin


I note you said it was unlikely there would be much winter play, but given the extent of the drainage efforts, do you think good winter playing conditions would be possible, without the need for closure or mats etc?

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2019, 02:28:46 PM »
Ryan


I was up there the other day and they will stay open this winter.


You can never have as good ground conditions on a clay site as a links during the winter. The drainage will improve what would otherwise be challenging conditions, but the soil between the drain lines will still be damp.
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James Reader

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Re: Robin Hiseman to build new course at JCB world HQ
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2019, 05:53:32 AM »
I’ve been lucky enough to play JCB three times (a friend has a corporate membership) and I’ve enjoyed it more and more each time. 


I’d echo the comments on the Top 100 website about the quality of the green complexes.  They take the course to a different level compared to the vast majority of modern inland courses in the UK - which, in general, I’m not a huge fan off and, I’ll be honest, was what I was expecting to find the first time I played it.


Something that stands out for me is the number of really interesting short par 4s - at least 5 where thrashing away with a driver isn’t necessarily the best idea; at least from the front tees.  The 13th is one of those holes where you are absolutely certain that the right shot is a mid-iron followed by a pitch, but the temptation to go for the green on a downhill drive with slopes from the right helping the ball run in from that side is just too strong (and yes, i have been in the water left three times!).  The island-green 17th is spectacular - and has a great green in it’s own right - and the 18th is a really difficult finish with a lion’s-mouth green, which I haven’t come close to hitting in two (the required long high draw not being one of the tee shots in my locker!).


The one drawback is that it seems to be very much a buggy course (on-brand yellow, of course).  My friend and host likes to use one anyway so I haven’t had chance to try, but it strikes me that it must be a very long walk - it’s even a good few hundred yards from the clubhouse to the first tee.  But that doesn’t stop me for one minute hoping for some more invites next year, and also looking forward to seeing the pros play it in what will surely be a big event there soon.

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