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Joe Bausch

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three greens in close proximity
« on: July 23, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »
The other day I played Kennett Square, a Donald Ross course in the Philly burbs out in mushroom land.  The 10th, 17th, and 8th greens (left to right in the figure below) are located nearly in a line, about only 100 yards from left edge of the 10th to right edge of the 8th (all the holes are par 4's):



It works pretty nicely at KS.  Am I incorrect in thinking this is a unique feature?  
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Phil McDade

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 03:32:24 PM »
Joe:

Maple Bluff CC in Madison WI has something close to this with its 1st, 10th, and 17th greens:

Another look at the 10th green reveals the intimate nature of the course. Back right, players are putting out on the 17th green; back left, players are putting out on the 1st hole green.


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Mark McKeever

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 03:34:08 PM »
Its the best feature of the golf course IMO.  8 and 17 are sister par 4's and are both very strong holes.  

Its tough to tell from the aerial, but the grass behind 10 is mowed short between the 10 and 17.  It doesnt take much to miss to green and end up on 17's putting surface.

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Josh Tarble

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 03:42:01 PM »
Joe, this may have been a Ross concept.  At Broadmoor we have our 13th, 18th and 9th all within about 125 yards of each other.



from T to B: 9, 18, 13

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Joe Bausch

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 04:20:04 PM »
Here are the those at Kennett Square, this picture taken from the 8th fairway:

(both pics are clickable to much larger size)



And this from short and left of the 8th green:


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Bill_McBride

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 04:29:57 PM »
Another Ross course, Athens CC in Georgia, has three greens in close proximity.  I wish I knew how to do screen captures from Google Earth but alas.... Maybe someone can post that aerial.  It's pretty cool how they line up.

Just looked at Google Maps.  They are, I think, 2, 5 and 7, and they are really in close proximity.
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Brian Finn

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 04:30:13 PM »
One of the (seemingly) coolest aspects of the 3 greens together at Kennett Square is the lack of trees between all 3 greens, which means each hole shares a short game area with the adjacent hole.

Playing at Broadmoor in last year's Midwest Mashie, the area including the 9th and 18th greens - particularly the closely mown areas between the two - was one of the highlights for me.  I thought it was a great setup, especially for 9/18.  

This Ross guy really knew what he was doing.  :)
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Joe Bausch

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 04:38:12 PM »
Another Ross course, Athens CC in Georgia, has three greens in close proximity.  I wish I knew how to do screen captures from Google Earth but alas.... Maybe someone can post that aerial.  It's pretty cool how they line up.

Just looked at Google Maps.  They are, I think, 2, 5 and 7, and they are really in close proximity.



These three span about 125 yards.
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Jim Sherma

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2013, 04:44:40 PM »
How about the corner at Crail where 4 greens and 4 tees in a very small space with balls coming and going in all directions. American liability law would never allow for it. One of the locals when I played there referred to it as their "amen corner" because if you got through it without being hit by a ball you said amen.

Ben Malach

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2013, 05:00:42 PM »
The Eden course has 5,8 and 11 green all within 50 yards of each other.
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corey miller

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 05:05:27 PM »

There is a very neat one at Fenway which I am sure we will see in the photo tour.  I believe it is #8,12.  Trumps a few of these because they share a bunker.

BCrosby

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2013, 05:06:56 PM »
Good catch Bill, re Athens CC. The sixth tee separates the 5th and 7th green, so they aren't as close as Joe's grouping, but still very close. The three greens don't feel that close when playing them, however.

More evidence of how Ross made maximun use of high spots.

Bob

Matthew Petersen

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2013, 05:10:07 PM »


Those are the 10th, 5th, and 1st (counterclockwise from upper left) greens at a muni near me called Cave Creek Golf Course. Even as big as that first green is, it's not more than 120 yards from end to end of the whole area.

This section of the course is featured in Forrest Richardson's book about golf course routing (the course was done by Jack Snyder). If I'm remembering it correctly, the original plan was for the 1st and 5th to connect and the 5th could be played to eaither side of a split fairway based on that day's hole location. But the alternate fairway has been abandoned and the greens no longer connect. All three are surrounded by a short cut of grass, however. The 10th green sits considerably lower than the 5th so there's not really any confusion from either fairway about which flag you're playing to. It's an interesting complex.

Matthew Essig

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2013, 05:14:16 PM »
I always like looking at the row of red flags of holes 4, 12, and 15 on the coast at Bandon Dunes.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 05:41:37 PM »
I always like looking at the row of red flags of holes 4, 12, and 15 on the coast at Bandon Dunes.

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 07:57:50 PM »
One of my local favorites, Donald Ross' Greenock GC in Lee Ma (always impeccably maintained by GCA's Rob Decker).

Bottom left to right - #'s 5, 8, & 1, with #2 at the top.  
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Jeff Blume

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2013, 08:37:40 PM »
Josh,

I used to play in your member/guest every year for about six years.  I love the ninth, eighteenth and thirteenth.  Nine and Eighteen are two of the toughest short par 5's around.  Hitting either one in two is a challenge, and eighteen can be difficult to reach with a sand wedge on the third shot if you spin the ball too much.  Several times I played a seventy yard third shot only to wind up with a 20-30 yard pitch from the approach. 

Thirteen is a great short par 4, and the difficulty depends a great deal on the hole location.  Over all, Broadmoor is the type of course one could enjoy playing every day.  Is Jason LePage still at the club?  If so, tell him I said hello. 

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Bill_McBride

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2013, 08:50:16 PM »
Good catch Bill, re Athens CC. The sixth tee separates the 5th and 7th green, so they aren't as close as Joe's grouping, but still very close. The three greens don't feel that close when playing them, however.

More evidence of how Ross made maximun use of high spots.

Bob

They may not be that close but the proximity has always been cool to see. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2013, 09:56:26 PM »
The first one that comes to mind for me is the old links at Crail.  I can't remember the numbers, but there are three greens in a line there that are very very close.

John Percival

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 08:01:35 AM »
Yes, all very cool, but hard hats required.
Would be interesting to know how many people get plunked each year.
Personally, would rather take a fade than a hard hook.

Josh Tarble

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 09:11:11 AM »
Jeff,

The greens make it an exceptional course to play every day.  Not an "easy" pin position anywhere - but they're all very fun.  Difficult without being taxing. 

I think 9 is the perfect compliment to the entire front side, very difficult if you're out of position, but very score-able if you hit the shots.  13 is probably my favorite hole on the course, so many options on how to play it.  And 18 is a great finishing hole.  Not overly long, 2 decent shots will get you home in 2 but the real challenge comes at the green - in our member-member a couple weeks ago, my buddy and his partner 4-putted for bogey to lose by 2 shots.

Jason is still here and he does a fantastic job.  Can't be many pros better than him.

Mike Hendren

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2013, 09:52:02 AM »
The dapper Neil Meagher, while working with Nashville's Kevin Tucker designed three greens at Brentwood Country Club that are actually connected by a small strip of putting surface, hence a triple-green.

Neil, where the heck are you?  Hopefully not under Gib's spell.

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Jason Thurman

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2013, 09:59:40 AM »
I'll give you FOUR! It's kind of cheating though, since two are just alternate greens on the same hole. 17, 2, 2, and 5 at Idle Hour, another Ross.

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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2013, 10:00:34 AM »
The first one that comes to mind for me is the old links at Crail.  I can't remember the numbers, but there are three greens in a line there that are very very close.
Perhaps the third (or second) and the double green (7, 11).
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Re: three greens in close proximity
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2013, 10:09:56 AM »
Jason, great photo of the second at Idle Hour.  For those who haven't been there, the left green is elevated and pushed up while the right green is in a depression and can't been seen from the tee.  I'd venture to say the left green plays a half-stroker harder.  Perhaps Pete Garvey will weigh in but I don't believe both are original.   Excellent work by the club keeping both, however.

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