[Jeff Blume]

I think I saw a thread on this topic a little while ago, but thought it would be fun to see various versions of the Redan hole that many of you have played and enjoyed.  I know Jeff Brauer has done a few over the years as have many other architects.  So fire away!

I'll go first with one we recently opened.  The fourth hole at Lady Bird Johnson in Fredericksburg, Texas.

[Jeb Bearer]

The Founders club at St. James Plantation in Southport, NC has one - the third. It's a modified version with a built up green, a front right shelf pin and a back left bowl. Unfortunately I don't have a good picture but here it is on Google Earth:

[Tyler Ince]

Wow the green might be similar but that looks nothing like the Redan I know and love. 

[Jeb Bearer]

Maybe the picture doesn't do it justice. Granted it's not completely a traditional redan, but when the pin is in the back left it definitely requires the classic Redan shot. There's way you could fly it over the bunker and still hold the green, and the front right shelf doubles as a kick board.

[David Harshbarger]

Jeff,

That is a fine hole.  It's a perfect study in line of instinct vs. line of charm.  The land looks unexceptional.  Well done.

Dave

[Jeff Blume]

Thanks David, the fourth is a fun hole to play.  The site that the course sits on is somewhat diverse.  Parts of the course are on relatively flat, non-descript land.  Other holes are on great property with significant terrain changes and the influence of Live Oak Creek.  Below are a few other photos to show the diversity.

Hole #6, Par 3 - playing across Live Oak Creek



Hole #7, Drivable Par 4



Hole #9, Approach Shot to medium length Par 4



Hole #10, Second shot to short Par 5



Hole #13, Short Par 3



Hole #16, Medium Length par 3

[ChipOat]

Just don't call the 3rd at Merion a Redan.

Other than the deep diagonal bunker, it has no other Redan similarities.

Most importantly, it has never been a "ground game" hole.

A little off-topic, but I couldn't resist.

[Bill Gayne]

I thought the redan at Wexford Plantation (about the twelfth hole) was very well done.

[Rob Collins]

We built a redan at Sequatchie Valley G&CC, a nine hole course near Chattanooga, TN.  The golf course is growing in now - as a result the photos below are not a great representation of the hole.  However, I think they provide a decent idea of its characteristics.  I think the hole is unique, both for its length and the severity of the green (short hole, very severe green).

[Rob Collins]

Well, that didn't work out very well...
If someone can tell the new guy how to upload photos, I'll be happy to post a few.
thanks...

[Adam Lawrence]

Rob, see Scott's idiot-proof (at least I think it is, even I can follow it) guide, which is at http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50942.msg1161493.html#msg1161493.

Now, on to that redan at Sequatchie... it is without a doubt the shortest I have ever seen, basically only a wedge for almost everyone. But the severity of the green is also a factor above anything I've seen. I really don't know whether it'll work as you intend. Can a green be steep and firm enough to deter people just hitting wedge, and still be playable? I am not sure, but I'll be interested to find out. It's going to be a fun course, I hope the second nine happens.

[Sean_A]

Very well known (not as a Redan though), but likely not well loved, St Enodoc's 4th could possibly trump the original.  While not strictly a Redan (not many "Redans" are), all the elements are there in one guise or another.  




Ciao

[Rob Collins]

Adam,
Thanks for the tip! The first view is zoomed in from the tee and the second one is from the left of the green.  Try to disregard the house in the background of the second picture as it is not part of the golf course and will disappear once clubhouse landscaping is complete.  The course itself is all golf, no housing.

[Rob Collins]

left side of the green...gives an idea of the slope.

[Rob Collins]

Rob, see Scott's idiot-proof (at least I think it is, even I can follow it) guide, which is at http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50942.msg1161493.html#msg1161493.

Now, on to that redan at Sequatchie... it is without a doubt the shortest I have ever seen, basically only a wedge for almost everyone. But the severity of the green is also a factor above anything I've seen. I really don't know whether it'll work as you intend. Can a green be steep and firm enough to deter people just hitting wedge, and still be playable? I am not sure, but I'll be interested to find out. It's going to be a fun course, I hope the second nine happens.

Regarding the playing characteristics of the hole, the green is currently running about 85% of its intended speed.  I played the golf course recently and the playing characteristics of the hole will only improve with more speed and firmness.  The hole is basically a hybrid of a redan and short hole, as it has qualities that are common to both.  When it is in optimum playing condition, playing out to the right will be a very viable option.  One of my favorite aspects of the hole is the variety in playing options, both in club selection and angle of attack.  In the end, precision will be required whether you play to the right or try to fly directly at the hole.  I spent about 20 minutes on the tee and hit everything from a skipping hybrid to a wedge. I found that a punched 8 gave me the best results. I really look forward to playing the course with you one day.  Hopefully, we will see you as soon as this summer.

As far as the other nine is concerned, I would be very surprised if it happens.  In fact, I am so fond of the golf course as it is that I really don't want to see it change.

 

[Jim Sherma]

Very well known (not as a Redan though), but likely not well loved, St Enodoc's 4th could possibly trump the original.  While not strictly a Redan (not many "Redans" are), all the elements are there in one guise or another.  




Ciao

Great looking hole. I assume it's OB at the fence line. Changing to stroke and distance certainly impacted this hole and the willingness to be aggressive with the approach.

[Mike Hendren]

We built a redan at Sequatchie Valley G&CC, a nine hole course near Chattanooga, TN.  The golf course is growing in now - as a result the photos below are not a great representation of the hole.  However, I think they provide a decent idea of its characteristics.  I think the hole is unique, both for its length and the severity of the green (short hole, very severe green).

HOLD THE PHONES!   This is under construction a mere two hours from Nashvegas!    Rob, how 'bout a new thread.  Coupled with Hanse's work at Sewanee southeast Tennessee could be on the verge of becoming the 9-hole capital of the world!

Mike Hendren
Brentwood

[Adam Lawrence]

Mike, Rob and his partner Tad were kind enough to show me round in the spring. It's going to be a lot of fun. I did a piece on the course in a recent GCA - I'll try to put it on the website soon for those who don't get the magazine.

Adam

[Mike Hendren]

Adam, my goodness.  I generally venture a few miles off the road in search of a hidden gem.  I've actually been by this course in its original iteration and can't wait to see the new version. 

Mike

[Rob Collins]

Mike,

Thanks very much for your interest in the project.  I will say to you (and anyone else reading this thread) that I would be delighted to tour our project with you at any time.  My office is a mere 35 minutes from the site and I can easily get up there on most days, schedule allowing.  If anyone is interested, I can be reached on my cell 423.637.5096.  Just drop me a line or send me a message and we can go check it out.  It is scheduled to have preview rounds next year with a grand opening in 2014 once the clubhouse is finished.  I think our owner made a great decision to allow the course to have a full season of grow in with limited play while the other amenities are finalized.  Also, we were fortunate to get a great young superintendent, Michael Burrows, to look after the course and complete the grow-in.  Interestingly, Michael was an assistant at Streamsong and was over the Red Course prior to taking this job.  He was a great fit for many reasons, one of which is that we have the same grasses that they do - 419 (cut at fairway height everywhere) and MiniVerde.

Also, we were fortunate that our project coincided with the ASGCA annual meeting, which was in Chattanooga this year.  Adam was in town and we were excited to show him the project and very much appreciated his piece in Golf Course Architecture.  For anyone interested, here is a link to the article:
http://www.kingcollinsgolf.com/Brochure_GCA_article_July%202012-1.pdf

If there is enough interest, I'll be happy to put a thread out on the main page with additional photos and more information about the project.  I'll admit that I am a little hesitant to do it as I don't want it to seem like my interest in this site is purely self-promotional.  I love GCA and come on here mainly to see and read insightful commentary on my favorite subject.

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