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Ronald Montesano

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Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« on: August 25, 2012, 01:51:41 PM »
When George entrusted the life of GTK 2.0 to me, I made a silent promise that a new one would appear when the others went to page two. Both David and Brian have hit page two. A few of you colleagues volunteered to go under the klieg lights, but I haven't received your answers. Thus, into the fray I go.

- What brought you to golf?

I grew up 250 yards from the third tee at Grover Cleveland municipal (nee Country Club of Buffalo-US Open 1912). My pals and I would sneak on and play a three-hole loop (2-4) over and over, back in the late 1970s. In 1979, I tore my rotator cuff trying out for freshman high school baseball and needed an outlet for the athuhlete in me.

- What brought you to golf course architecture?

Something spoke to me as I traversed those Grover Cleveland fairway. I didn't know until my mid 20s that it was a special place. Throughout junior golf and into college, I played courses by Ross, Alison, Travis, Harries, Maxwell, Thompson, RTJI, et al, but didn't distinguish between styles of architecture.

- What brought you to golfclubatlas.com?

I never had a seminal moment, a cathartic experience, so there's no b.gca date for me. I can't even recall the year that Ran invited me to participate. Questions 2 & 3 need to be reshaped for me, along the lines of "why do you persist?" GCA helps me as a high school coach, to define different types of shot and strategy options for my players. GCA clearly helps me make those decisions when I play recreational and tournament golf. GCA gives me an outlet for my photography jones (I prefer scenery to people, I guess) and GCA gives me an online venue (that oozes into the real world from time to time) for corresponding with a bunch of guys who know more than I do about a really interesting topic.

So that's that. No question is off limits or out of bounds. I'll simply say "pass" if I don't have a good answer. Hope there's interest.

AND, send me your answers so we can get some more candidates into the GTK 2.0 threads.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2012, 02:17:45 PM »
RoMo...

What are your favorite golf holes played to date?  Why?

What holes do you want to play the most?  Why?

What are your favorite charities?  Why?

When are you going to get a set of hickories?
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Doug Wright

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 02:23:56 PM »
Ron,

Who is your favorite architect--why?
What is your favorite private course in WNY? Favorite public course in WNY? Same questions re Ontario.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2012, 02:48:48 PM »
Mr. Mac--

What are your favorite golf holes played to date?  Why?

On our honeymoon, wife surprised me with a side trip to St. Andys.  Played Old Course (around 1992) and it kicked me arse for 16 holes. On 17, I played a shot to 10 yards in front of the green, then putted up the slope to 10 feet from hole. Caddies for others in group (couldn't afford one, then as now, as I was broke.) Promised myself I would not look up until I heard ball hit cup bottom. Hit putt...nothing...muttered "oh shit" to myself and looked up, just as putt peeked over edge and tumbled in for 4. Caddies exclaimed "achhh, ya wee bastard, yull carrrry thot wan tuh yer grave." Floating on air, hit driver and then putter through Valley on 18, with Scots at wall at back of green nodding in approval, two-putted for par. Match Result: Old Course 16, Ron 2.


What holes do you want to play the most?  Why?

Whichever holes I play, I want to be in command of my game. I love playing a hole with the shots as it's meant to be played. Run down Ran's "Courses By Country" and I'll gladly take any of them. I'd love to play the 16th at Cypress dead into the wind, to trust my driver, with the very last swing of my life.

On a more symbolic note, I want to play holes with the guys from GCA. I've played with Mark Saltzmann, Ian Andrew, Tim Martin, Jon Lyon and Chris Denigris this year, along with my usual running mate, Rabbi Kevin Lynch. I'd like to cross as many GCA guys (as opposed to course) off my list before I pass.

What are your favorite charities?  Why?

We have a cancer institute here in Buffalo called Roswell Park. That one's big for me, for many reasons. We have a place called Vive/La Casa, where refugees from 3rd-world countries stay on their way to Canada. Sort of an overground railroad. I have an event planned for 2013, involving my golf website. Just need to figure out the deets.

When are you going to get a set of hickories?

This may bum you a bit, but I've played with the hickories and don't want to play them more than once a year. I get why you and Kevin and others are in love with them. They mess with my modern swing and I want to play some competitive golf the next 5 years, before I get too old to compete at the level I want. Perhaps the answer to the question is, 8 years from now, when I turn 55.
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~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 02:59:21 PM »
Mr. Doug~

Who is your favorite architect--why?

This year has confirmed that Walter J. Travis is my favorite architect. Travis didn't design courses of extensive length; you'd be hard pressed to find one of his pieces that extends beyond 6800 unaltered yards. He was, in my mind, the most talented golfer of all the great architects and I think that he found a way to relate this skill to his courses, in a way that did not and does not alienate the average golfer and the chop. The greatest strength of the WJT courses that I've played is in the greens. I'm convinced that Orchard Park CC softened its greens over the years, as they are wimpier than any other Travis greens I've played. I love the long game but I adore the fun shots around and on greens. Travis greens would keep me enthused for decades on end.


What is your favorite private course in WNY? Favorite public course in WNY? Same questions re Ontario.

I have two favorite private courses in WNY. The first is the first I ever played~Park CC~it was great then and with the work that Ian has done of late, is even better now. The second is the only area Ross course, CCBuffalo. A restoration has begun and the results should be worthwhile.

My favorite public course in WNY is a much tougher question. When I was a lad, in the 1970s/1980s, there were zero upscale public courses. Everything was muni. Today we have 2 Hurdzan-Fry, 2 Witter and 1 RTJ2 from his later period, in addition to other tracks. I will go, however, with the course whose back nine places the greatest premium on the driver of any course, public or private, in the area. Somewhere, Dan Herrmann is smiling, for I choose you, Sheridan Park!

My favorite private course in the Niagara Region of Ontario (I've played two, both Travis) is Lookout Point, by a whisker over Cherry Hill. My favorite public course in the Niagara Region is Hunter's Pointe, a Graham Cooke design. It abuts the Welland Canal, the strait that bypasses the falls and allows farking-big ships to move from Lake Erie to Lake Ontario. When they dug the ditch, they dumped a lot of soil onto the sides. HP has the look and feel of a Pete Dye course along Lake Michigan. It has imitation Florida holes, imitation links holes and imitation moor holes, without pretending to be a faux-anything design. There are better courses, but this one I like the most.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Bill_McBride

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2012, 03:10:24 PM »
This is great.  You're interviewing yourself like Jimmy in the bathtub in "The Commitments!"

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 03:28:31 PM »
I haven't seen the movie, but I'm happy to bring humor and entertainment to anyone's world.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Bill_McBride

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2012, 05:24:14 PM »
I haven't seen the movie, but I'm happy to bring humor and entertainment to anyone's world.

It's definitely worth watching!

Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2012, 06:02:11 PM »
It's up to me to ask the really important questions.
Drink of choice at Wake?
Most memorable Deacon victory you witnessed?
Go Deacs!

Doug Wright

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 06:26:26 PM »
Ron, how did you get into coaching high school golf? What do you do as coach? As I recall all our HS coach did was drive us to matches.

PS Roswell is a great institution.
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Jeff Shelman

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2012, 09:43:39 PM »
Ron,

- How common is it for someone in Buffalo to be a member of a club in Ontario? Or play across the border on a regular basis? Has that become more difficult since 9/11?
- What do you do on fall Sundays? Play golf or watch the Bills?
- What is best 'unknown' course in WNY?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2012, 10:20:53 PM »
Mr. Bruce~

Drink of choice at Wake?

Gosh, let's see...if we went to the Safari Room or one of those other off-campus bars, it was always some crappy beer like Coors or Coors Light. Come to think of it, that's what we served at fraternity parties, too. We weren't very creative.

Most memorable Deacon victory you witnessed?

Much easier question. In 1984, the spring of my freshman year, I was spoiled. Wake played Depaul in the Sweet Sixteen of NCAA hoops. It was Ray Meyer's final season and he wanted to go out with a win. Well, Wake played a great game amid cheers of "Retire Ray Meyer" and won. We toilet-papered the hell out of the quad. Lost to Houston in Final Eight, but what a win.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Kevin Lynch

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2012, 11:04:32 AM »

When are you going to get a set of hickories?

This may bum you a bit, but I've played with the hickories and don't want to play them more than once a year. I get why you and Kevin and others are in love with them. They mess with my modern swing and I want to play some competitive golf the next 5 years, before I get too old to compete at the level I want. Perhaps the answer to the question is, 8 years from now, when I turn 55.

Mac - have to attest that Ron is not a fan.  We played a hickory round at Byrncliff earlier this year, and noticed Ron was getting excited around the 9th tee.  I asked him why and he said "because I can get my regular clubs out of the car after this hole."

George Pazin

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2012, 01:36:51 PM »
Please share a story about:

- how gca has influenced your coaching of golfers

- your experiences with some of the gca'ers you've met

- your time at Fox Chapel

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2012, 03:13:01 PM »
Senyor Jorge~

- how gca has influenced your coaching of golfers

GCA has revealed the multitudinous ways of playing angles and terrain into fairways and greens. Without it, I'd be a "hit and hope" coach. I don't push the hard-core stuff on the kids, because a Ross may not play like a Ross if the super doesn't prepare it as such.

- your experiences with some of the gca'ers you've met

My first non-Lynchian GCA experience was Tim Martin at Copake in 2011. Had a blast. Tim made every putt in sight and I somehow holed a 9-iron in front of a gallery of young laborers for eagle around hole 14. I knew instantly that Tim was an awesome representative of GCA. Later in the summer, he joined me and Lynch for a round at Bethpage Black. He didn't have his best that day, yet was able to overcome that handicap and enjoy the course for what it is.

John Lyon is another guy I've played with. John is an absolute killer of the golf ball. I'd love to be his pro/caddie and be able to coach him through a round of golf (provided that he promise unconditionally to accept every word I utter.) John loves to talk about the architecture and has a historian's appreciation of the game, its players and its builders.

Mark Saltzmann, Matt Bosela and Ian Andrew made up the trio of canucks who smoked Canada's Diaper (they can call us that, since they won) in two matches this year. Mark "gets" GCA instantly, I think. It takes me a while to think back to what I just played, but Mark gets it as he is hitting it down the middle and on the green. He also misses putts...never. Matt was a stand-up guy as well, possessed of a very good swing and game, along with a gentleman conversationalist's demeanor to boot. Ian the architect hits the piss out of the ball, thanks to arms developed playing hockey his entire life. He contributes an architect's perspective, but not overly so. He likes to talk trash, too~"That putt was brought you by the letters..."

Chris Denigris accompanied me and the Lyonssss around Leatherstocking this year. David Harshbarger was there as well, but I did not get to play with him. Chris and David are really nice guys. Chris plays quickly and well, both in golf and verbal spar. David admits that his game is evolving, as is his love for architecture. I'd welcome them in my group, anytime.

The guy that I miss is Scott Witter. Scott and I got to know each other as he was building Arrowhead in Akron, NY. He also built Ironwood (Cowlesville, NY) around that time. His first solo 9 was the third nine at Deerwood (North Tonawanda, NY). Each is a marvelous tour of golfing grounds. Scott is a good stick whose architectural career was cut short by the economy and the glut of courses. I hope to finally get together with Scott for a game one day and pick his brain on architecture.

- your time at Fox Chapel

The high school team that I coach played at Fox Chapel in 2004, as part of the MPSL championship. The host was Shadyside Academy. At the time, I was the assistant coach. I remember telling people that "this is a Raynor course" and "it has template holes" without the slightest clue what any of that meant. Shadyside had a decided home-course advantage, but we availed ourselves well and placed second, which felt like a victory. I was able to play with the other coaches. What happens in that situation is, you play too quickly and you don't take the time to understand the importance of the architecture. I played FC without any appreciation for the nuances of Raynor's work. The course played firm, which would have allowed me to work the ball into greens, had I had the presence of mind to do so. In 2004, we were in the absolute center of raising young children, what I like to call the dark ages of my golf game. Now that they are older, I have returned to competent performance.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Joe Bausch

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2012, 03:33:52 PM »

Most memorable Deacon victory you witnessed?

Much easier question. In 1984, the spring of my freshman year, I was spoiled. Wake played Depaul in the Sweet Sixteen of NCAA hoops. It was Ray Meyer's final season and he wanted to go out with a win. Well, Wake played a great game amid cheers of "Retire Ray Meyer" and won. We toilet-papered the hell out of the quad. Lost to Houston in Final Eight, but what a win.

I was at that game (The St. Louis Arena or whatever they were calling it then, IIRC), and what a game it was.  Forget the name of the guard WF had that played a great game.
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2012, 04:52:56 PM »

Most memorable Deacon victory you witnessed?

Much easier question. In 1984, the spring of my freshman year, I was spoiled. Wake played Depaul in the Sweet Sixteen of NCAA hoops. It was Ray Meyer's final season and he wanted to go out with a win. Well, Wake played a great game amid cheers of "Retire Ray Meyer" and won. We toilet-papered the hell out of the quad. Lost to Houston in Final Eight, but what a win.

I was at that game (The St. Louis Arena or whatever they were calling it then, IIRC), and what a game it was.  Forget the name of the guard WF had that played a great game.
That year was Mark Cline, Anthony Teachy , Muggsy, and Delaney Rudd.
But I think it was Kenny Green.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2012, 05:06:06 PM »
Darn right - Sheridan Park!!!!!   

Ed Homsey

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2012, 05:39:10 PM »
Enjoying the interview that Ron is conducting with himself, aided by interesting questions from others.  Those of us associated with the Travis Society for the past 18 years, or so, are forever grateful to Ron for hosting the Society's webpage until we "fledged" and developed our own blogsite (with helpful suggestions by Ron).  And, of course, I liked hearing that his favorite architect is Travis.  His comments regarding Travis greens were echoed today by Brian Schneider, of Renaissance Golf, as we played Stafford today.  Brian is continuing his education as a designer by studying the courses of the old masters, and is in the middle of a Travis Tour down the I90 corridor, beginning with CC of Troy.  Tomorrow, he'll be at some of your old stomping grounds, Ron, looking over Grover Cleveland (wish you two could meet), and playing CC of Buffalo.  After that, it's on to Cherry Hill Club and Lookout Point.

Re question about folks from Buffalo belonging to, or playing Ontario courses:  For years, approximately 85% of the Cherry Hill Club membership was from the Buffalo area.  If you're careful about crossing the border at the right time of day, there is little holdup at the border.  Generally, there's greater chance of a hold up when re-entering the States.

Ed Homsey
www.travissociety.com
 

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2012, 06:02:14 PM »
Kenny Green was the small forward...Delaney Rudd was the shooting guard, Mugsey had the point, Teachey was a forward masquerading as a center and Cline was the other forward. I think that Rudd was the guard who played out of his mind, but Kenny had a great game, too.

Ed, I will be at Cherry Hill Monday afternoon with the team...bad stinking luck on my part to miss Brian.
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~Indian Hills
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RJ_Daley

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2012, 06:10:04 PM »
Ron, if you come around Green Bay way, I'd sure like to take you around our county course (a pretty Ed Lawrence Packard designed nice test of golf)  I think you'd get along well with some of my regular pals, many of them current or retired teachers.  One sound much like you, about 45-8ish, was in first gulf war as a tanker, then went back to school, got certified, teaches English and writing arts, was head golf coach out in Seattle area at private H.S. where all the Microsoft staffers send their kids, now public school here, and is a darn nice player, recently winning his Men's club flight.  He isn't quite as tuned into gca, however.  

My questions are; do you cook pasta dishes for the team?   8)

Is Kevin as big of a gregarious Irishman as he comes off here?  ;D

Which is the real deal and best Buffalo Wings joint?  

Favorite son, Jack Kemp or Tim Russert, or both?

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Dan Herrmann

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2012, 06:11:48 PM »
Ron. Has the economy of Buffalo affected the private golf scene? 
Has Transit Valley changed its policies since the Grant Fuhr incident?
When I was a kid,  River Oaks was well thout of.  True .

And I agree with you concerning Grover.  Those fairway bunkers along Main St always called out to me, and we're probably my first exposure to GCA

Joe Bausch

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2012, 06:21:30 PM »
Kenny Green was the small forward...Delaney Rudd was the shooting guard, Mugsey had the point, Teachey was a forward masquerading as a center and Cline was the other forward. I think that Rudd was the guard who played out of his mind, but Kenny had a great game, too.

Ed, I will be at Cherry Hill Monday afternoon with the team...bad stinking luck on my part to miss Brian.

Ahh, it was Kenny I remember.  Played like a guard.  ;)
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2012, 06:40:39 PM »
Mayor Daley~

Do you cook pasta dishes for the team?

I am the 4th generation since the great migration from Sicily. I am the unique blend of sicilian, italian, polish, german...no, I don't cook pasta dishes for the team. I am a US American and proud to say so. I do encourage the lads and lasses to fortify before a big match or tournament, though.

Is Kevin as big of a gregarious Irishman as he comes off here?

He really is. He has this big smile and loves bro hugs. He even got Denigris to give a bro hug, although Chris tended to squirm. Th key to Kevin is, when he's hitting it all over the place, that's normal. He loves to scramble. When he's hitting it off the course, you have to bring him back from the edge. Now that he has figured out the tight right elbow key, though, wild hitting might be a thing of the past.

Which is the real deal and best Buffalo Wings joint?

I would say Duff's is the real deal. I can tell stories about the original Duff's at Sheridan & Millersport. I do like Frank & Theresa's (the auld sod of wings) for the ambience and a good wing. The key always is to ask the waiter or waitress to make sure the wings are crisp.

Favorite son, Jack Kemp or Tim Russert, or both?

Since Kemp moved to Buffalo, I'd say Tim Russert. A south Buffalo boy, Canisius high and John Carroll U., loved his Bills and never ever forgot his home town. It's not even close.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Get To Know Ronald Montesano
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2012, 06:47:15 PM »
Dan-0~

Has the economy of Buffalo affected the private golf scene?


Westwood was sold and is now semi-private/semi-public/semi-wtf. There is currently a land-swap proposal on the table to make Westwood the town of Amherst course and turn Audubon into uber-mixed use town center (nothing like a fake capital, right Brazil?)
Here's a link: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/amherst/article1016192.ece

That's the only private-to-public transformation. Since things move slower around here, there has been plenty of land to develop, so golf clubs haven't been reclaimed.

Has Transit Valley changed its policies since the Grant Fuhr incident?


No comment. I'll PM why.

When I was a kid,  River Oaks was well thout of.  True .

I don't know if that is a question. River Oaks is now private...was public for a long while, into the early 1990s. Still a very challenging track and the only private I would consider joining (cost and proximity to home.)
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

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