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Mike Nuzzo

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What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« on: August 21, 2012, 05:24:10 PM »
What golf course has more fairway than any other?

Wolf Point has 86 acres of fairway - including greens - there are no tees or at least they aren't treated any differently than the fairways, so hard to measure.
I measured The Old Course and roughly calculated 55 acres of short grass - hard to delineate the grassing lines from a satellite image.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 05:33:22 PM »
Mike:

Erin Hills is probably up there; pretty wide fairways.

Kapaulua Plantation Course?

astavrides

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 05:56:22 PM »
Praire Club-Dunes?

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 06:02:44 PM »
Mike,

Although I haven't played it, I heard that Old Macdonald had generous fairways.

NGLA and GCGC seem fairly generous to me, and with only three (3) par threes it would seem that they would have more fairway acreage than a par 72, 71 or 70

Mark Saltzman

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 06:03:56 PM »
Praire Club-Dunes?

I can't imagine a course with more fairway.  Has to be Prairie Club (Dunes).

Doug Siebert

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 08:59:31 PM »
I can't imagine a place with 50% more fairway than TOC.  If Prairie Club Dunes has even more than that I may have to visit just so I can aim all my drives down the middle and have my first and only round ever with 100% FIR ;)
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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 09:07:56 PM »
Completely non scientific, but I will make two possible candidates. 

Kinloch in VA seems to have more acres of turf than most.  I specifically remember one hole with multiple fairway options and areas around the green it seemed to have more acres of fairway level grass than two normal holes would have.

The other was Hampton Hall the Pete Dye course near Hilton Head Island.  Some of the fairways there are so wide you just wont believe it until you see it.
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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 09:19:26 PM »
True Blue has a lot of fairway, at least it seems so.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 09:23:20 PM »
Kapalua Plantation?

Par 73 and only 3 par 3s so more holes with wide fairways.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 09:29:07 PM »

Augusta has been reported to have 100 acres of fairway.

St Andrews has a big head start with only 2 par 3s. 
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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 09:43:59 PM »
 ??? ::) ???



I know the course we built at Twisted Dune has acres and acres of fairway, will have to get it figured .  I'm guessing it's close to 80.

Jim Johnson

Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2012, 09:48:44 PM »
Prairie Club-Dunes has approximately 78 acres of fairways, not including greens or tees.

FWIW, Sand Hills has approx. 43 acres, as does Pac Dunes.
Bandon Dunes has about 45, Wild Horse has approximately 49, Rustic Canyon 50, and Kapalua Plantation 52 acres.

Paul Carey

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 10:24:20 PM »
I would bet it is Old Mac but Bulls Bay has quite a bit.

Tom_Doak

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 10:35:04 PM »
I don't think that Old Macdonald has more than 86 acres of fairway, but I haven't heard an accurate number from anyone out there.

The Old Course is not even close to that much.  A lot of the "big" fairway areas are overlapping between two holes, and you don't count them twice.

I do remember that Apache Stronghold had nearly 110 acres of total turf (if you could call it that).  I would guess it was 80-90 acres of fairway.  Because it was on the reservation, it wasn't bound by the 90 acre limit applied to courses in Phoenix -- and because the tribe was arguing with Tucson and Globe about those cities having stolen water from their water rights, they "encouraged" us to use as much water as we wanted.  ;)

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 10:37:00 PM »
Dye Fore.  Massive!

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway? New
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2012, 01:02:10 AM »
Thanks Turboe
I thought I'd start with an easy one, as Kinloch has easily defined fairways, tees and greens - and I've played there with a very nice host.
Total short grass acreage = 37

Wolf Point has 2.3 times as much short grass as Kinloch and probably 1/8th the annual budget


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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2012, 01:05:32 AM »
Wolf Point has 2.3 times as much short grass as Kinloch and probably 1/8th the annual budget

I have a suspicion that the cost of maintaining fairway grass is overstated compared to teh cost of maintaining various roughs.  Do you know of any stats on this? 
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Don_Mahaffey

Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2012, 07:53:21 AM »
Wolf Point only has three different cuts. Greens, fairways, and a ring of semi that seperates the close cut turf from native. Its not so much that the golf course itself is that big, (the entire irrigated area is about 90 acres or just under that) its just that it is all basically cut at the same height. Since we most often use a large gang mower to cut the fairways at 1/2 inch, and the fact that we have bermuda that doesn't require any fungicide and is drought tolerant, our cost per acre to maintain is a lot less then what one might think.

I've played prairie club dunes and its true that the course is huge. At wolf point we worked very hard with the green's design to make it matter where you hit it off the tee. Hit it to the wrong side and you are often left with a shot to a green sloping away with trouble behind. At PCD, while it sometimes mattered which side you hit it from a visual perspective, I didn't get the sense that the greens were going to repel a shot coming from the wrong side. But, I only played it once, and I know WP much better.

The new course at Dismal River will be mostly fwy with very little rough so it may end up with a big fwy acreage number as well, and it will matter where you hit it off the tee.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2012, 09:55:18 AM »
Thank you Don

From above Prairie Club Dunes sure does have big fairways, but they also have a rough.  I measured 81 acres of short grass.  And Don says it doesn't matter so much where you hit the fairway.  Too bad.

Two down, next?

Don is a very big fan of Apache Stronghold.
I've visited once, and it looks like it will be hard to measure.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2012, 09:58:17 AM »
First course that comes to my mind for central Indiana (which is the extent of my experience) is Woodland Country Club. I was astounded at the width of some of those fairways when I played it. Not that wide fairways is any guarantee of 100% FIR when my swing is involved.

Sean_A

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2012, 10:01:27 AM »
The biggest one I recall is Bulls Bay, but I don't think it has 80 acres unless the greens are included - even then I am not sure.

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Bill Satterfield

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2012, 10:26:53 AM »
When I played Rock Creek Cattle Company it felt like miles of fairway out there and if you managed to miss the fairway there wasn't rough grass; just native terrain.  Very generous landing areas off the key at this Montana gem.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2012, 10:31:56 AM »
Bill:

I'm at Rock Creek right now.  We built wide fairways here to try and keep the ball out of the native roughs, because the native roughs have 1,000,000 rocks, and there was no good way to clean out the rocks without destroying the native grasses.

However, there are carries from tee to fairway on most of the holes, so I don't think it's close to 86 acres of fairway here.  I haven't seen Wolf Point yet, but my impression is that there are relatively few carries from tee to fairway, even from the back tees.  THAT is how you wind up with a lot of fairway.

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Re: What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2012, 10:42:09 AM »
Maybe the question then should be "What 18 hole golf course has the most fairway where it counts :D". It seems to me that Old Mac could be in the discussion. I need a refresher, but I always felt like I had plenty of places to land the ball.

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