Golfweek's Next-100 Classic and Next-100 Modern posted

« **on:** May 10, 2012, 09:04:35 AM »

MacArther Plumart, Paul Richards and others have been bugging me long enough for this, so here it finally is. Dismal River might have to change its yardage markers now.

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/may/09/golfweeks-best-next-100-classic-courses/

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/may/09/golfweeks-best-next-100-modern-courses/

« **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:15:03 AM »

Very cool to see. Thanks Brad.

« **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:18:46 AM »

Looks like Doak can still move the needle. North Shore up to 142 from not ranked, pretty good.

On a course like Greenbrier, or NorthShore, when enough work is done to give attribution to a modern architect, is there any thought of moving the new iteration to modern?

« **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:26:15 AM »

Brad,

124 Classic- Atlantic City CC is no longer private.

128 Modern- Quintero is no longer private.

I too like the inclusion of North Shore. There's more work to be done there.

« **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:27:31 AM »

MacArther Plumart, Paul Richards and others have been bugging me long enough for this, so here it finally is

« **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »

Cog Hill and Sanctuary were two of the biggest droppers on the Modern side.

Brad, did you mention somewhere that you were working on a composite Top 100 list? What's the status of that?

I noticed recently that Links expanded its 100 list, but it looks like you need to be a registered user to see it (?)

« **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:31:23 AM »

I can just almost get my head around "Next 100 Modern" (e.g. Ardrossan Farms, 2027, Coore, Paul and MacWood), but "Next 100 Classic"?

« **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:36:12 AM »

Interesting moves relative to last year:

Barona Creek -11 (?)

Cog Hill -28 (Ouch)

Forest Creek N +14

Stonewall Old +9

Caledonia -14

Chechesee -12

Rustic +15

Stone Eagle +9

Tetherow -19

Erin Hills +5

Beverly +3 (threatening to get back to the promised land!)

Old Elm +12

Tamarack -19 $:-\$

« **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:44:51 AM »

Dismal better get those 201 yardage plates changed up.

« **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:46:21 AM »

Thanks for posting!

« **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »

Thanks, Brad. Amazing to read through that list and note how many courses out of the presumed top 400 I haven't seen.

Who here has seen the most? More than 200 out of 400? Don't have time to add up my own right now, but I'd guess I'm around 250-275.

« **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:52:26 AM »

Why is CCD listed as a Colt from 1914 if that course doesn’t exist, was moved inland and the current is strictly an Alison (C&A at least)?

125. (112) CC of Detroit

Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich. 1914

Harry S. Colt

Private

6.54

« **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM »

Brad,

Thanks for posting. Sorry if this has been stated before, but how many rater votes are needed to be included in the Top-100 and "next 100?"

« **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:56:00 AM »

Quote from: Mark Saltzman on May 10, 2012, 09:44:51 AM

Dismal better get those 201 yardage plates changed up.

First Dick Clark dies, now Dismal River is a Top Ranked course? Maybe the Mayans were right!

« **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:57:04 AM »

No Alotian is surprising. Bellerive #181 is shocking too. They just made some pretty interesting changes so I hope some GW guys can get out there.

« **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:58:40 AM »

Quote from: PCraig on May 10, 2012, 09:54:52 AM

Brad,

Thanks for posting. Sorry if this has been stated before, but how many rater votes are needed to be included in the Top-100 and "next 100?"

Good question.

« **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:01:52 AM »

Since I played high school golf at Carolina Golf Club in Charlotte (many, many years ago) it brings a smile to my face to see them so highly regarded.

« **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:08:41 AM »

Old Elm +12

Anyone played Old Elm recently? I played it last summer and it was pretty darn good. But was told they are continuing a rennovation program that might last another year or two. I was told to come back again when it was done and I'd be even more impressed.

Can't wait to see it again...it is really a nice place.

« **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:22:32 AM »

Quote from: Mac Plumart on May 10, 2012, 10:08:41 AM

Old Elm +12

Anyone played Old Elm recently? I played it last summer and it was pretty darn good. But was told they are continuing a rennovation program that might last another year or two. I was told to come back again when it was done and I'd be even more impressed.

Can't wait to see it again...it is really a nice place.

It's nice to see Old Elm getting a little more exposure as it's a really under-the-radar golf course. It's extremely fun and a real throw back. I've been lucky enough to be able to play there quite a bit thanks to a friend who's a member. I haven't been there since last summer, but the renovation work that I've seen revolves mostly around expanding greens, restoring playing angles, and removing a few trees. If there is a more extensive plan I haven't seen it. I'll be down in the area for a wedding this July and will lookout for any additional changes.

« **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:31:34 AM »

Tom Doak: quick count yields 275 on my part:
-90 Classic
-85 Modern
-46 Next Classic
-49 Next Modern

Jim Colton: I'm never going to do a composite list; someone can do the quick math on it but it mushes up styles and the point of the Classic/Modern dichotomy for me to do that

Takes 15 votes to make the Top-100
Takes 12 votes to make the Next-100

« **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:32:48 AM »

Quote from: Brad Klein on May 10, 2012, 10:31:34 AM

Takes 15 votes to make the Top-100
Takes 12 votes to make the Next-100

Thanks Brad.

« **Reply #21 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:36:40 AM »

I've only seen 47 of the top 400. More than 2/3 are from the respective Top 100 lists. The lesson is that there's probably a lot of interesting courses, better value and easier access in the Next 100 lists....

« **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:48:08 AM »

Quote from: Brad Klein on May 10, 2012, 10:31:34 AM

Tom Doak: quick count yields 275 on my part:
   -90 Classic
   -85 Modern
   -46 Next Classic
   -49 Next Modern

Jim Colton: I'm never going to do a composite list; someone can do the quick math on it but it mushes up styles and the point of the Classic/Modern dichotomy for me to do that

Takes 15 votes to make the Top-100
Takes 12 votes to make the Next-100

Thanks Brad. I understand the challenges, but I am just delusional or did you say somewhere that you were working on a combo list? Edit: found this on the !!!!!!!! thread: "We're also working on a new top-100 rating of the top-100 ratings. "

« **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:49:55 AM »

While Belvedere is charming, I don't see it in the same league as Lookout Mountain, Idle Hour, French Lick Hill, Mid Pines and LuLu - courses ranked behind it that I've played. I'd put in on par with Fircrest.

Am I missing something at Belvedere? I found the first nine rather pedestrian with the exception of nice subtleties in the greens.

Bogey

« **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:57:28 AM »

Jim Colton: I am sure you are quoting me out of context. I was being ironic there, as I am reasonably sure I also wrote that such an effort was akin to a book I once saw, "A Bibliography of Indian Bibliographies" that contained nothing but lists of good lists of books about the Indian Subcontinent. So I was playing with that and suggesting I could do a top-100 rating of all top-100 ratings."

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