[John Kavanaugh]

George,

How many rounds have you played in the last 5 years?  You of all people should look for reasons to make golf more appealing.

[JMEvensky]

George P.,you do know it was almost certainly Nero who set,or had set, the fire?It was just urban renewal--Roman style.

I don't know if JN is supposed to be Nero in your parable.

Maybe JN just realizes that he has some culpability in a few of golf's problems and this is his way of trying to fix them.

[Garland Bayley]

I tried to post this earlier but it went away into cyberspace.

The tree house on the site bemowns slow play and the lack of retaining or attracting new play to the game of golf.  JN, who will generate media attention, reintroduces an old proposal to potentially speed up play (especially here in the USA where putting out is necessay to make a score to log in for the USGA Handicap - another topic unto itself).  Cost is minimal to attempt the idea, media attention is attracted, and players give it a go.  If the idea works, JN receievs some credit, facility operators potentially see an increase in revenue as round speed increases ( more people potentially means more $) and the customer is happy not to endure the 5+ hour slog of a weekend round.  WIN, Win, Win all around.

If the idea is a bust, it had its 15 minutes of fame and goes back in the closet for another 30 years.  JN will occasionally be asked about it in future interviews and can opine on the concept.

Business people take risks in exchange for upside return.  There is little downside to JN attempting this and a large upside position if rounds can be increased. 

Some of thre posters here are eginning to sound like politicians...."you mean businessman you risk capital should actually have a chance to make a profit from their investment"....

If Jack wants to promote fast play, maybe he should do a public service announcement demonstrating it, no marking balls unless interfering with someone else, see the line, stroke the putt, next hole. One of those USGA spots airing during tournaments ought to do the trick.

[George Pazin]

George,

How many rounds have you played in the last 5 years?  You of all people should look for reasons to make golf more appealing.

Not nearly enough. If I thought this would have any impact on that, I would be all for it. I just don't see it affecting time in any sort of meaningful way - but I do see it affect architecture in a negative way, through dumbing down the course. I was under the impression you were against that sort of thinking.

JME, I'm aware that the analogy isn't just imperfect, in fact it is highly flawed. Nevertheless, that's what springs to mind, and that's why I can't quite agree with Bruce's "Let's just see what happens" philosophy.

[John Kavanaugh]

George,

We are talking about a labor day outing with men, women and children playing under a 2.5 hour time limit.  We are talking at one of the most difficult courses on the planet.  To me this sounds perfect for the guy who can't find time to play under normal circumstances.

You take this type of event to most any other course and it is a 1.5 hour event.

Its labor day, hot dogs, balloons, women and children and smiles galore.  I'm the one who should be hating on this.

[Garland Bayley]

George,

We are talking about a labor day outing with men, women and children playing under a 2.5 hour time limit.  We are talking at one of the most difficult courses on the planet.  To me this sounds perfect for the guy who can't find time to play under normal circumstances.

You take this type of event to most any other course and it is a 1.5 hour event.

Its labor day, hot dogs, balloons, women and children and smiles galore.  I'm the one who should be hating on this.

Nice piece of fiction.

[John Kavanaugh]

There was a time in my life where my motto was to not bet against Tiger, who wants to bet against Jack?

[Bruce Katona]

George: We can agree to have separate opinions.  I applaud JN for giving the idea a try. No more than that.  If it works he's a genius. Rome is smoldering whether or not Nero is fiddling on the roof.

Garland: While you are spot on with your analysis, telling a new or occasional golfer "no marking balls unless interfering with someone else, see the line, stroke the putt, next hole. "  They just may not have any idea of what you said or care.

A PSA by anyone representing golf in a televised event will be seen by the golfing public, not necessarily the audience of new or occasional golfers you would be targeting.  A PSA during the Super Bowl would at least been seen by many casual golfers.

An article in Bloomberg about increasing play (thus potentially revenue) or in the Sports Section of the NY Times with quotes or a partial interview by JN may gather some attention to the topic.

[George Pazin]

John, if it works as planned and people play in under 2.5 hours, I'll applaud it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer other ways of combating slow play.

Bruce, I have no problem with Jack giving it the old college try, I was just explaining why some of us may be less than enthused, as you seemed to question that.

[Garland Bayley]

...
Garland: While you are spot on with your analysis, telling a new or occasional golfer "no marking balls unless interfering with someone else, see the line, stroke the putt, next hole. "  They just may not have any idea of what you said or care.

A PSA by anyone representing golf in a televised event will be seen by the golfing public, not necessarily the audience of new or occasional golfers you would be targeting.  A PSA during the Super Bowl would at least been seen by many casual golfers.
...

I disagree. It is exactly the new and occasional golfers that I see engaging in this behavior, because it is what they see on TV. If the new golfer hasn't been polluted by watching golf on TV, then all the better.

Of course many of the others engaging in this behavior are people who don't understand the traditional way to play is match play, and are constantly grinding for a score.

[Randy Thompson]

There was a time in my life where my motto was to not bet against Tiger, who wants to bet against Jack?

John,
There is a time to bet, there is a time to hold em and a time to fold em. In this moment I wouldn´t bet on either one of the two above mentioned. We have passed the era of 2008 and those two are...so two thousand and late!

[JC Jones]

There was a recent thread about this same type of event, minus the fast play incentives, at Pine Needles.  Sounds like everyone loved it.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,47579.0.html

Of course everyone loved it; because it wasnt Nicklaus.  The GCA.com crowd finds fewer things more fun than ripping Nicklaus, even if they had praised someone else for the same thing.

[Steve Kline]

One of the golf magazines did a study about pace of play this year. The average golfer is not slow on the greens. They are slow on the tee and in the fairway with their  stupid preshot routines and practice swings (thanks Jack). How is a bigger hole going to help that?

[George Pazin]

There was a recent thread about this same type of event, minus the fast play incentives, at Pine Needles.  Sounds like everyone loved it.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,47579.0.html

Of course everyone loved it; because it wasnt Nicklaus.  The GCA.com crowd finds fewer things more fun than ripping Nicklaus, even if they had praised someone else for the same thing.

I'm assuming this is satire - either that, or you didn't read the actual link. The comments are almost exactly the same, from some of the same posters, even. Tim Gavrich even posted the same "I'm surprised at the uproar" comment that someone else posted on the first page of this thread.

[JC Jones]

George,

Did you read the thread?  The general tenor of that thread is "sounds like it would be fun for a day."

The general tenor of this thread: Jack sucks.

[John Kavanaugh]

Isn't it funny how Jack was starting to get more love when it was a lock that Tiger was going to beat his record. Now that it is clear that he is the finest who ever lived the haters are back a hating.

[Tim Martin]

Will they have carts? Not sure I want to walk all 12 .

 

[George Pazin]

George,

Did you read the thread?  The general tenor of that thread is "sounds like it would be fun for a day."

The general tenor of this thread: Jack sucks.

That might be your inference, but it hardly the truth.

John, who hates Jack? Surely not I. Disagreeing with how to best speed up play means you are a hater? That's some mighty deep thinking. Or projecting, you choose.

[Garland Bayley]

George,

Did you read the thread?  The general tenor of that thread is "sounds like it would be fun for a day."

The general tenor of this thread: Jack sucks.

JC Jones,

A Barney wanna be?

[JC Jones]

Garland,

Is there a thread on the first page you haven't made a comment in?

[Garland Bayley]

Garland,

Is there a thread on the first page you haven't made a comment in?

Jason,

Is there a thread on the first page that you haven't made a comment in?

According to my count there are 25 threads on the first page that I have not commented on. It's easy to determine. Just count the one that don't have the little face on the page icon on the left.

So how do your stats stack up?

Double Bogey

[JC Jones]

I'm at 32.  Take that, Beautiful Mind.

[Garland Bayley]

Jason,

If you want to be a Barney, you are going to have to step up the count.

Double Bogey

[JC Jones]

Don't worry, JK is not who I aspire to be.  I'm aiming more for Mac.

[Garland Bayley]

Jason,

Good choice! But, I hope you realize that "Jack sucks" comment is not one that would come from Mac.

Double Bogey

[Tags:]

Tags:

[Tags:]

Tags:

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()