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Patrick_Mucci

The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« on: March 27, 2011, 06:40:40 PM »
As you leave the back of the 6th green, either euphoric, content or disappointed in your perfomance on the short "short" hole, you head toward the 7th tee which sits between the 6th and 12th greens.

Upon reaching the 7th tee, one usually glances over at the 12th green, noticing the hole location, especially as it relates to the mound running through the back third of the green.  The hole location, relative to the mound, will later dictate or heavily influence play on that hole.

Now, you turn and look down the playing corridor and are struck by a disturbing question.

"Where in the hell do I aim ?"

Suddenly, you feel disoriented.
There's nothing out their to guide you, no defined DZ, just undulations of grass, mounds and trees on the horizon, stretching from the far left, which you realize is the playing corridor for # 12, to the far right, which looks unappealing, due to the long heavy rough.





Sure, you've looked at the score card, and were encouraged by the mere 478 yards from the back tee, but, where is the DZ, where do you aim.
For there's nothing to provide one with any clear definition regarding the proper playing corridor and/or fairway.
Maybe you bought the yardage map in the proshop, clearly depicting an aerial map of the hole.
Still, uncertainty and doubt overwhelm the senses, and, if you've bought the map, you see all of the randome pot bunkers that seem to lie everywhere outside of the fairway cut.  this is an intimidating tee shot.

The tee shot on # 7 is unique in that the 7th and 12th share extended fairways.

Fortunately, you've taken a caddy, so he stands, either on the first ridge, or sedcond ridge, and beckons you to hit it in his direction.

Still, it's an uncomfortable shot into the unknown.

Unfortunately, the distance problem has diminished the  PHYSICAL challenge off the tee, for one only needs to carry about 250 or a little more to clear ALL of the right side bunkering complex, a complex intended to represent the hotel and railroad shed at TOC.

In addition, the distance problem allows the longer golfer to avoid a critical intended DZ, "The BOWL" in the middle of the fairway that leaves the golfer with a blind second shot.  Here's a photo of THE BOWL,  the golfer is toward the upslope on the greenside edge of the Bowl



Having said that, to a degree, Mother Nature has come to the rescue in that a prevailing wind is directly in your face or coming in your face slightly from the left.  And, often it's a heavy breeze, laden with moisture off the sea.

Based on the yardage, you were thinking "birdie" but, with no definition and a little wind in your face, you take aim at the caddy and swing away.

Should hour ball sail right, it's eiither in tall rough or the bunker complex.
Extraction from there is a chore, and the prudent golfer, depending upon their lie, merely seeks to exit with a shot decent enough to allow him to get home in regulation.

Drives hit left face a similar, and perhaps harsher fate, as the  configuration of the left side bunker can be more difficult than the large sprawling right side bunkers..

If one has hit a good drive, where the caddy directed them, they're probably in "The Bowl", unless they've hit a really good drive which would bring them up onto the plateau, giving them a good glimpse of the green.

For those in the bowl, they're faced with another blind shot..

Irrespective of your position off the tee, a critical factor now enters the equation.

The location of the hole.

It is absulutely critical to the tactics you will or should employ.

If you can't get home in two, and most can't, the next question is, where do I want to be for my third shot, what line and what distance.

The green is angled, basically from High South to low North,
It falls off steeply to the rear to a huge, deep bunker.
The green is slightly elevated, and starts out very narrow at the low North end, and gradually expands.
While the green is 43 yards front to back, measured on it's angle it's probably closer to 50 yards, tip to tip.
Fronting the green is the famous Road Hole bunker.  It is deep, and seems to have an affinity for attracting golf balls.

Getting to a hole location directly behind the bunker is a significant challenge.

Flanking the entire right side of the fairway starting at about 100 yards from the center of the green is a set of deep bunkers.
An ideal third shot approach to this angled green would seem to be right next to those bunkers, except for that huge damn tree, branching out so ominously.

To the left, would seem llike a far more benign and safer route.

However, those taking that route would subsequently face a daunting third shot approach, as they would be faced with a dreaded shot to a narrow, firm, slightly elevated green, with the fear and almost certainty of going long, down, into that deep right side bunker.

So, here you are, after hitting your drive, back in the fairway or rough, contemplating your fate, trying to determine your method of play.

By now, your caddy probably has a more realistic assessment of your game than you do. so, his advice can be invalueable.

And, the location of the hole is THE determining factor.

The caddy tells you to hit your 3-wood or rescue or 4 iron down the right side, so that you'll have the best angle and shot to approach the green to.

But, you're afraid of those bunkes on the right, and the wind, which will push everything further right, so, you err on the side of caution and hit to the center or right center of the fairway.

And now, now, the FUN begins.

It doesn't matter if you're 100 yards or 10 yards from the green, the approach shot can be incredibly intimidating.

My old friend, Joe MacBride, a great golfer, showed me how to hit every club, from putter to driver, from 10 or 100 yards from this green.  For him, it was all a matter of feel, how he felt that day.  Now Joe had a great short game, and he was intimately familiar with NGLA, so he was very comfortable with almost any choice.

But, I can assure you, the fear factor, for what seems like such an innocent, short, easy shot, is extremely high, due to the consequences if you fail.

Now, it you're out for a casual, doesn't count round, well, so what ?
but, if you're trying to qualify for an event, you know that this simple little shot, can decimate your round.
You can make birdie, par, or far worse.  So you'd better think this through properly and you'd better execute properly.

Remember, these greens are FIRM and FAST, so the slightest mishit will cost you dearly.

Shold you go right and wrong, the right side bunker is DEEP.  You are well below the putting surface.
Hit the ball short, and you're left with deja vu all over again.
And if the hole is located low North, you can end up playing ping pong, going back and forth as the strokes mount up.

So, let's go back in the fairway, knowing all of the above, because unlike TEPaul, you paid attentiion while reading my posts.

Sometimes  the more important issue is where you don't hit it.
You don't want to hit it right, you don't want to hit it into the Road Hole bunker and you don't want to ht it far left.

While most don't think of this, on # 7, being a little long isn't a bad thing.

Georgh Zahringer, a terrific amateur, advised me long ago, to err long when approaching # 7, esecially with your second shot, and even on your third, depending upon hole location.

If the hole is cut front, your best bet is to go for the center of the green.
If the hole is cut center, your best bet is to g for the back of the green.

Knowing this and being comfortable with it are two different things.
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So, depending upon your lie, flat, uphill, sidehill, bunker right, bunker left, rough right, rough left, the wind and your confidence level, you make an informed choice, hoping to execute the best plan possible, given the state of your game at that moment.,

If you've executed a prudent, as opposed to an ego shot, then, you've optimized your chances of getting a birdie and minimized your chances of taking a big number, but, it's not over yet.

I"ve always liked having a breeze in my face as it provided an extra magin of erro for my L-Wedge, which I could hit with more authority, from 5 to 70 yards., depending upon hole location.

Once on the putting surfacce, the challenge is reasonable.  The green, while subtle, doesn't have the slope, tiers or  mounds found on oher greens at NGLA.

However, like almost all of the greens at NGLA, the edges do feed ball into bunkers, fairway or rough, so care must still be exercised, especially in the narrow, low North section.

With the hole cut front, low North, I've seen seasoned members, who are good golfers, play short of the green, attempting to two putt from just short of the green, get thier par and head to the next tee.  It's not a bad strategy when the hole is cut front, low North, as I've seen golfers take big numbers, from just 20 to 60 yards from the hole.

Hitting into the "Road Hole" bunker will almost always lead to a bogey or worse.

Having to traverse the Road Hole bunker will almost always lead to a bogye or worse.

For such a short hole, 478 yards, it can be a killer.

How to overcome the distance problem.

There's a simple solution and it's NOT changing par on the hole.

I'ts moving the tee back 30-50 yardss, such that the "road Hole" bunker complex is brought back into play as CBM intended it.
Ther'e's a plateau back by the maintaince road, that could be a tee, and a tee could be crafted just beyond the maintainance road, making the hole play as CBM intended it.

That would bring te right side bunkers back into play, the Bowl back into play, and the positioning of the second shot for the longer hitteres back into play.

Lastly, RAN, you have to get the "jumping" fixed, it's taken me hours to type this.

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John Mayhugh

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 08:20:09 PM »
Patrick,
Many thanks for resuming this.  Here are some photos to supplement your description.

View of the 7th tee from the 6th green.  A very small teeing area.



The 12th green from the 7th tee.



Unfortunately, I didn't get a photo from the tee (a good reason to return).  These are progressing up the fairway.


This look back in the direction of the tee gives some sort of sense of the width.



Back in the direction of the green.





Nearing the green, the road bunker comes into view.



This shallow bunker (seen from the green and also visible on the left in the prior photo) complicates any effort to try to avoid the road bunker by going left.



The road bunker from a bit nearer.



From inside the bunker.



Looking back at the bunker from the green.



The bunker on the right side of the green.



The 7th green from the 8th tee.



Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm short enough that the hole plays just the way it's supposed to.  No indifferent shots here.

Bill_McBride

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 08:54:33 PM »
Pat, it's easier with long posts to create a Word document and then paste into a blank GCA post. Just a hint.

I thought this Road hole was really more fun than the original because the fairway is so much wider. If you play safely left off the tee at the Old Course, you're in deep gunch. At NGLA you could tack your way to a par.

Mike Cirba

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 11:03:03 AM »
Patrick,

Really nice job, and I'd join with others here in commending your knowledge of the golf course and encouraging you to finish this wonderful series.

One question though since we're talking about the "Road" hole.

Is the road in question on this hole a narrow, infrequently used dirt road of little consequence, or a Super-Highway?  ;)  ;D


Jim Eder

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 12:11:43 PM »
Fantastic write-up. I actually have read it twice this morning it was so enjoyable. It is a fantastic hole and reading your post put me right there again contemplating just how to possible make birdie and not make worse then par. Well done!!!

John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 02:21:36 PM »
A great read, as were the previous 6 - great to see it back again - a classic story for a classic course - surely this deserves to be a sticky thread so it remains unforgotten till the 18th Green.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 03:24:03 PM »
Can anyone post a photo from the tee looking toward the DZ ?

Bill Brightly

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 02:20:02 PM »
I was lucky enough to play NGLA for the first and only time 18 months ago with the young guy pictured below in the road bunker. (His father arranged it as a lead in to the guy getting married. I guess that is a fair trade off...One round at National in exhange for your freedom?)

I've posted this picture before, but here is the story that goes with  it. The kid is in the bunker freaking out, says there is no way he can get it over the lip and keep it on the green. So I tell him that any decent trap shot that would reach the pin (back left) will clear the lip, just look at the flag, not the bunker face. He does that and hits it to 3 feet for birdie, and he thinks I am a master of strategy! He follows that up with a perfect PBFU way right off the 8th tee. Which just goes to prove that the golf gods really do like to mess around with us...



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Jon Spaulding

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 02:39:28 PM »
Can anyone post a photo from the tee looking toward the DZ ?

Pat, thanks for resurrecting this series. Far more interesting than a bunch of silly ratings. I agree with your comment about the disorientation one has on the tee. I was 100% certain that our caddy was lying about the ideal line, both rounds :'(. The challenge of the 2nd shot, even with an iron, is beyond substantial when out of position.





« Last Edit: March 30, 2011, 02:46:03 PM by Jon Spaulding »
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Ben Sims

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 03:09:45 PM »
Thanks for starting this back up Pat.  This hole--among others--illustrates its greatness. 

The hole seems forgiving, losing a ball looks to be tough.  There are hazards that are penal in nature, yet the hole provides plenty of room to steer clear.  If you do steer clear, birdie and even par become a bit harder.  The hole isn't scored upon unless you take a risk and execute.  But due to the very shrewd use of width and scale, you're always in the hole.   This is a component of all the great golf courses I've played. 

It seems like an easy recipe.  Large playable areas, difficult yet defined hazards, with sufficient room to play away or towards those hazards.  The National really takes the concept to a heightened level as far as I can tell. 

I'll never forget the look on George Bahto's face at Sleepy Hollow when I told him I haven't seen The National.  He looked at me like you would a chef who never used a knife. 

Ben Sims

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 07:48:40 AM »
Not letting this post die on the second page yet.  More people need to see it and the first six. 

Dan Herrmann

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 08:26:20 AM »
Patrick - Thank you!  What a fantastic contribution - brings a smile and provides education. 

Michael Moore

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2011, 09:00:05 AM »
Pat -

How does one approach this green from one hundred yards or closer with a driver?
Metaphor is social and shares the table with the objects it intertwines and the attitudes it reconciles. Opinion, like the Michelin inspector, dines alone. - Adam Gopnik, The Table Comes First

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2011, 09:41:29 PM »
Pat -

How does one approach this green from one hundred yards or closer with a driver?

Along the ground !

The shot is played like a long putt, often with a closed face, so that the ball will run up the bank fronting the green, onto the green.
Even if you come up short, you can usually "replay" the shot and get up and down for par, avoiding bogey or worse when the hole is cut far right (low north)

It, like many others, is a "feel" shot.


jkinney

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2011, 10:14:08 PM »
"St. Andrews", as the 7th is referred to on the scorecard, is the most beguiling short par 5 I know of. Over the years my scores on the 7th have ranged from 3 (once) to 9 (more than once). As Pat has said placement of the drive and second shot pretty much set up one's final tally. The third shot is often terrifying when the wind's up, as it is most afternoons. I can't tell you how many times I've thought I'd just pured a feathered wedge only to see it descend into the road bunker (the devil's asshole) or the back bunker. And numerous times I've carried it to the front edge on the right only to see it roll back off the slope onto the fairway.

More than once I've invoked the little used (and little known) stroke & distance option upon declaring my ball unplayable in the road bunker - dutifully marching back the 60-80 yards to attempt yet another delicate wedge. When my ball finally has come to rest
on the green, I often sigh "Phew.." to myself. What a marvelous golf hole !!


Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2011, 10:59:31 PM »
JKinney,

I think one of the great assets inuring to NGLA is what you described, a frightening short shot that on the surface, seems benign, if not "a given".

There are so many of those dicey shots all over the golf course.

The 7th green seems to have more than its share of those devilish shots since your angle of approach can be so diversified as can the location of the hole.

And, as you state, when the wind is up, that seemingly simple shot becomes exponentially more difficult.

I think that's why Joe McBride had so many of those "Quirky" run-up shots in his arsenal.

I saw him hit so many of those shots, shots I wouldn't have immediately thought of, that produced great results.

I can't tell you how many times I watched guys try to hit L or S Wedges from 20, 30, 40 and 50 yards into that tiny penisula of a green at the lower right quadrant, and pay the price of 7's, 8's and 9''s.  And worse, a seemingly easy birdie hole has destroyed their round barely one third through it.

Given my drothers, I'd prefer a wind in my face, as trying to hold that penisula down wind or with no wind, when the greens are firm and fast, is impossible.  Joe also used to play his 3rd short, and two putt from just off and below the green for his par.  Leaving others to think he missed his third and was lucky to get up and down for a par.

It's one of the best, if not the best green/green complexes in golf.

No matter where/what angle you attack the green from, you can have your hands full and a high score waiting if your'e not good, lucky or both.

John Mayhugh

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2011, 08:14:04 AM »
More than once I've invoked the little used (and little known) stroke & distance option upon declaring my ball unplayable in the road bunker - dutifully marching back the 60-80 yards to attempt yet another delicate wedge. When my ball finally has come to rest
on the green, I often sigh "Phew.." to myself. What a marvelous golf hole !!

I would never have thought of this, but having stood in that bunker can see where it might be the better choice.  Talk about a long walk back, even at 60 yards.

jkinney

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2011, 11:02:13 AM »
Pat - Joe McBride was so right in telling you to keep shots along the ground near National's green complexes. I use a six iron or 4 rescue more than any other clubs, (if one of the 345 bunkers isn't on my line). The older guys like Joe would putt more. He was a master at it. I agree that the SW trade wind makes the 3rd shot easier --- but it makes the approach on the 1st hole harder !

John - I've gotten up & down from the road bunker a number of times, but the lie has to be slightly uphill. It usually isn't, and it can be as hard getting out sideways. Under the ball unplayable rule, the player is the sole judge as to his ball being unplayable. In an act of kindness and pity not often seen in the rules, the stroke & distance option was granted from a bunker. I'm not the slightest bit embarrassed to walk back the 60-80 yards because the 9's I've recorded on the hole had involved substantial excavation of the road bunker. "When you're in a hole, stop digging", right ?!!

Sean Leary

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2011, 06:30:02 PM »
bump

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2011, 09:28:39 PM »
JKinney,

One of the things I've learned, when in the Road Bunker or short of the green, is that aiming at the flagstick may not be the most prudent play.

Under certain conditions, it's better to aim at the fatter part of the green, accepting a two putt bogey, rather than risk a much higher number.

NGLA is a wonderful match play golf course, but, it can be diabolically devilish at medal play when conditions are fast & firm, the wind is up and the hole locations are "competitive.

Patrick Kiser

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2011, 12:43:34 PM »
Not much to say except there are probably many of us who are just reading, looking, and appreciating these threads.  Absolutely loving this. 


John,

Thanks for nudging Pat.


Pat,

Thanks for indulging us...
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2011, 03:32:15 PM »
In October of 2003, TEPaul, George Bahto and I toured the golf course, paying special attention to the 7th green.

We concluded that it was almost the perfect configuration and orientation of any green in golf in that it could be played from almost any reasonable distance, from any one of the 360 degree angles.

The challenge, while it differs, exists from where ever the green is approached from.

Ben Sims

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2011, 03:55:34 PM »
Mr. Mucci,

What singular aspect of this hole as good--or even better--than the original?  I have a hypothesis that it has nothing to do with angles, but a combination of penalization and safety. 

I've never played TOC, but it doesn't seem to afford the bailout options that #7 at The National does.  It also seems to be less penal from a hazard perspective than The National.

I think this combination is what makes NGLA so special.  Good scores require risking big numbers.  If you're okay with scoring a bit higher, you can get around okay and have a ton of fun and not go crazy challenging the golf course. 

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2011, 07:02:07 PM »
Mr. Mucci,

What singular aspect of this hole as good--or even better--than the original? 
I have a hypothesis that it has nothing to do with angles, but a combination of penalization and safety. 

Ben, I'm not certain if there's a prevailing wind at TOC, but, the prevailing SW wind at NGLA is a real asset.
I also prefer the visual on the tee at NGLA to the one at TOC despite its history.
I like the "bowl" in the DZ which deprives the golfer of a clear view..
I like the absence of OB
I also like the narrowed front lower north configuration of the green, I think it adds another dimension.
And, I really, really like the deep bunker behind the green, as compared to the road and wall.
Visually, from off the green, it seems more frightening.

Remember, one plays as a par 4 and the other as a par 5.

So, for me it's a combination of facets.


I've never played TOC, but it doesn't seem to afford the bailout options that #7 at The National does.  It also seems to be less penal from a hazard perspective than The National.

OB is certainly penal, and, they've narrowed the fairway at TOC


I think this combination is what makes NGLA so special.  Good scores require risking big numbers.  If you're okay with scoring a bit higher, you can get around okay and have a ton of fun and not go crazy challenging the golf course. 

But, at NGLA, the big numbers aren't due to OB, they're due to poor thinking, poor club selection, poor execution or a combo of all three.


David Lott

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Re: The Enchanted Journey, # 7
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2011, 07:48:37 PM »
I don't get jealous much anymore, but . . . . . . .
David Lott

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