[Carl Nichols]

Call me picky but naming a course in Nebraska... Bayside? I have heard that most Americans are geographically ignorant but never thought I was one of "them".

What's next? Mountain View Club of Topeka?

The Ocean Club of Fort Wayne?

How about just Buena Vista Fort Wayne?    

[Greg Tallman]

Greg, The lake is actually the North Platte river.

Here's some history.

http://www.lakemcconaughy.com/about_historyfacts.html

So you are saying Lakeside may have been a better name for the course?

Oh wait... I got it... Resevoirside! kinda catchy and certainly unique. Almost as unique as a Bay in Nebraska.

[J Sadowsky]

The Ocean Club of Fort Wayne?

Why not?  They already have a Cherry Hills and a Pine Valley....

[Steve Strasheim]

Greg,

bay1   /beɪ/  Show Spelled[bey]  Show IPA
–noun
1.a body of water forming an indentation of the shoreline, larger than a cove but smaller than a gulf.
2.South Atlantic States. an arm of a swamp.
3.a recess of land, partly surrounded by hills.
4.an arm of a prairie or swamp, extending into woods and partly surrounded by them.

I see nothing geograhpically ignorant about the name. See photos below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462932113/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462784249/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462790153/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4463571610/

Call me picky but naming a course in Nebraska... Bayside? I have heard that most Americans are geographically ignorant but never thought I was one of "them".

What's next? Mountain View Club of Topeka?

The Ocean Club of Fort Wayne?

[Derek Dirksen]

I suppose Sutton Bay is the wrong name for a course in South Dakota?

[Greg Tallman]

Greg,

bay1   /beɪ/  Show Spelled[bey]  Show IPA
–noun
1.a body of water forming an indentation of the shoreline, larger than a cove but smaller than a gulf.
2.South Atlantic States. an arm of a swamp.
3.a recess of land, partly surrounded by hills.
4.an arm of a prairie or swamp, extending into woods and partly surrounded by them.

I see nothing geograhpically ignorant about the name. See photos below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462932113/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462784249/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4462790153/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29340558@N05/4463571610/

Call me picky but naming a course in Nebraska... Bayside? I have heard that most Americans are geographically ignorant but never thought I was one of "them".

What's next? Mountain View Club of Topeka?

The Ocean Club of Fort Wayne?

You should be plenty ready for the opening tee shot after that stretch Steve.

[Anthony Gray]

  Great Pics....San Fran?

   Anthony

[Steve Strasheim]

  Great Pics....San Fran?

   Anthony

LOL.

No, but I was sittin' on the dock at the time.

[Adam Clayman]

Greg, Your point is lost on me. They have Arthur Bay, Martin Bay and others all around this lake. FWIW, when the lake was full, they use to have the Governor's regatta in one of those Bays. It held over 300 ships and was quite the social function. Currently that Bay is 300 yards from the water. One more point since this appears to be about your mis-perception of Nebraska. Ever hear of the Ogallala Aquifer?

[Greg Tallman]

Greg, Your point is lost on me. They have Arthur Bay, Martin Bay and others all around this lake. FWIW, when the lake was full, they use to have the Governor's regatta in one of those Bays. It held over 300 ships and was quite the social function. Currently that Bay is 300 yards from the water. One more point since this appears to be about your mis-perception of Nebraska. Ever hear of the Ogallala Aquifer?

Dish Network channel 107... tune in for a while and perhpas the "point" will nto be completely lost on you Adam. 

[Steve Strasheim]

Adam,

Turning back to the course, let's assume the changes you mention are made. Do they flip the 9's and have a spectacular new finish? Would also make the long haul back after 18, instead of 9.

[Adam Clayman]

Steve, That's a very interesting suggestion. On the surface, and as it stands today, I don't think anyone would think of changing the nines because of the demands on the current back nine. On the few times I have played the course in reverse configuration it was not pretty. In other words, the golfer needs the front nine's relative ease to prepare for the demanding back.

Once the changes are made, I think it would be a question worthy of consideration. Thanks. I'll make sure you get the credit for it, if it should happen.

[Steve Strasheim]

Thanks, Adam, but no credit needed.

It's somewhat entertaining for me to come here and think about golf and courses with others, that's enough for me. As far as the back 9 being tough, I only have one thought at the moment about that. Would it be possible to  make 15 easier to recover from a misplaced drive? It seems the face of the waste area bunker facing you on the tee could be carved out along the fairway to make it easier to find your ball and blast out if you don't make it over. Might create some exciting shots too as there would be more incentive for all levels of player to take a long angle from the tee. Perhaps even some going for green in two from the fairway bunker? I don't remember the details and yardages that well, but remember that the first time I played 15 I hit a great drive and had no problems. But, the next three times I spent time hitting a provisional and looking in that waste area next to the fairway.

I actually like the hole, it's different and I find that appealling. Might be too much incentive to lay up and play safe, though. I've actually "double layed up" more than once there after making the fairway. That's not fun.

Suppose the other back 9 "hard hole" would be 11. I wouldn't change a thing there, too bad it's a hike.

Steve, That's a very interesting suggestion. On the surface, and as it stands today, I don't think anyone would think of changing the nines because of the demands on the current back nine. On the few times I have played the course in reverse configuration it was not pretty. In other words, the golfer needs the front nine's relative ease to prepare for the demanding back.

Once the changes are made, I think it would be a question worthy of consideration. Thanks. I'll make sure you get the credit for it, if it should happen.

[Adam Clayman]

Would it be possible to  make 15 easier to recover from a misplaced drive? It seems the face of the waste area bunker facing you on the tee could be carved out along the fairway to make it easier to find your ball and blast out if you don't make it over. Might create some exciting shots too as there would be more incentive for all levels of player to take a long angle from the tee. Perhaps even some going for green in two from the fairway bunker? I don't remember the details and yardages that well, but remember that the first time I played 15 I hit a great drive and had no problems. But, the next three times I spent time hitting a provisional and looking in that waste area next to the fairway.

I actually like the hole, it's different and I find that appealling. Might be too much incentive to lay up and play safe, though. I've actually "double layed up" more than once there after making the fairway. That's not fun.

Suppose the other back 9 "hard hole" would be 11. I wouldn't change a thing there, too bad it's a hike.

Steve, We had our first tourney there today and I saw a guy make birdie on 15 and he was never on the fairway, or even the first cut. I think 15 is a great just as it is. It's counterintuitive, because trying to get as close to the green as possible, in two, is usually the wrong play. The diagonal cross carry is very difficult, but, there is a safe line for anyone who wishes, or has to, play shorter. The look of the cross carry is very deceptive due to the terrain leading up to those bunkers. There is a lot they could do maintenance wise to improve the type of issues you mention, regarding those bunkers left of the fairway near the LZ. They just don't have the maintenance budget for it.

11 is likely to change and I assure you, it will be an improvement over what is there. I may or may not end up having a Dell like green, but Dave suggested having the green be back across the bottom of the ravine.

Everyone, Since I played with Jason today, he was able to describe how the new ninth hole will work. The idea is to play back east, sort of towards the new eight teeing ground, with a right swooping fairway, coming back around the east side of the maintenance building. They'll have to build a new ninth green, maybe 50 yards short of the current one. They will level off some ground just east of the maintenance building using the dirt to create a huge berm that will block the visual of the unsightly maintenance area.

[Steve Strasheim]

Adam,

Thanks for the update, sounds like fun. Pretty early in the year for a tourney, must be a special group.

So just how was birdie made there?  It may take a few more rounds before you convince me that creating a new 11 is a better use of resources than cleaning up 15 a little. Although I like the 15th hole, I see it as more challenging than fun.  I was fortunate to hit good drives on 11, it was an awesome feeling watching that ball soar down into that incredible fairway. That is a fun hole to me.

But, maybe my premise is flawed. When you said the back 9 is much harder than the front, is it primarily 11 and 15 that make it so?

Appreciate the replies. Bayside is a special place for me and I am very interested in the course.

[Jay Flemma]

Great stuff, Adam.  Do you enough pics to do a good photo thread on wild horse too?

[Adam Clayman]

Jay, Those aren't my photos. I was given permission to use them. Dick Daley is the man as far as WH is concerned. Perhaps he could do as you ask?

Steve, No, it's not just 11 and 15. It's the forced carries. on 12, 13 and 14 too, that are the dominant difficulty shots, for older guys, as well as shorter hitters. I've even suggested to a few to play the blue tees on the front and the white tees on the back, to try and help them enjoy it more. Few i've spoken with think 15 is that hard. Personally, I thought it a terrible hole until I realized it was how I was approaching the hole that was flawed, not the hole.

The gentleman who made birdie Sunday hit his drive short of the bunkers we are discussing, in the longer grass. (This time of year the gunk is dormant and if you can find it, you can play it). His second was in the ditch on the right behind the big tree. His third hit a branch on the tree and the ball landed just left of the front right bunker and rolled past the hole, some 20'. He then sank the putt on his first try.

Also, It's not a special group. Both Wild Horse and Bayside have One Man Scrambles early in the season. WH has another one late, too. This year was the best weather and the earliest they've ever pulled it off.

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