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Scott Warren

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Burnham & Berrow: a few more pics of both courses
« on: August 17, 2010, 04:41:14 PM »
I can't remember exactly when it was that my then-girlfriend (now my fiancee and within the next month my wife) and I decided that rather than just go on another holiday to Europe we would move there for a few years.

What I can recall is stopping by the newsagent in my home town on Sydney's outskirts the very same day we decided we were moving to London to buy a British golf magazine so I could see what awaited me.

Having selected the current edition of Golf International, I got back in my car and started to flick through. Within a few pages I came upon a double page spread - a monthly feature where Ronan Rafferty highlighted an unheralded British links. That month: Burnham & Berrow on the Atlantic coast in Somerset.

"There it is," I thought. "This is going to be amazing, all these incredible courses I have never even heard of and I'll be living within a few hours of them!"

I vowed at that moment that somehow, during my stay in the UK, I would play Burnham & Berrow.

After having several intended visits scrapped during my time here, more than two years later - closer to three, I'd say - I finally did, having made the trip down from my south London home on Saturday to play with James Boon and Robin Hiseman.

The Gods clearly knew this day was special: it poured from the time I left my house at 5.30am until I met Robin at Fleet train station at 7 o'clock. It rained that soupy, annoying rain England specialises in for the two and a half hours it took us to drive from there to Burnham.

Arriving, I walked past the club notice board on my way inside the clubhouse and there it was: my article! That same spread that had excited me more than two years ago pinned between entry forms for open days and draws for club knockouts. James told me it was a photo of the first green taken from the second tee. I resolved to get a matching photo with me in it!

It rained a constant, taunting stream as we ate breakfast in the clubhouse (food can be eaten in the bar, clubhouse rules dictate, unless the meal requires cutlery or - somewhat arbitrarily, contains chips - in which case it must be consumed in the dining room...), until, having already lingered for an extra half-hour in the hope it might clear, we made for the door to face our saturated fate.

But then, just like that, it stopped.

We played nine holes on the Channel course (nine greens, 18 tees) in completely dry weather and as we moved through the last four holes back towards the clubhouse I experienced some of the great landscape and quirk that would make the main course a highlight of my extremely fortunate portfolio of UK golfing memories.

We went inside for a pint (the local Brew is called Butcombe. Careful ordering a pint of that after you've already had a few!) before tackling the main course. No sooner had glasses clinked to celebrate an enjoyable warm-up, the floor-to-ceiling windows that give those inside a perfect view of the 1st tee and 18th green told the sorry tale... the rain was back.

The pints were drained and we decided there was no delaying the inevitable. Out we headed and again the rain stopped.

From the first hole Burnham is something special, twisting and turning through the dunes with greens set at choice locations, many using the natural slopes to either feed the ball onto the green or swat it away.

While short on blindness, as is in favour post-World War Two, Burnham still manages to be charming and quirky at ever turn, with the land making the surfeit of bunkers you see at many links wholely unnecessary.

A case in point are the two par fives on the front, which each provide brilliant interest and challenge through angled drives and greensites that sit frustratingly within reach, but of such design that hitting and holding them with a long club is just far enough beyond most golfers that you're still inclined to try, despite the expectation of almost certain failure.

Turning for home brings several holes of flatter land that give you just enough time to realise what amazing terrain you have been traversing for the past hour or two, and then you're back into it: the sensory overload of Burnham Church standing sentry by the dramatic 12th green, the narrow path of the par five 13th through the dunes, the transfixing green on the one-shot 14th, where we spent 20 minutes putting from all corners of the putting surface, shaking our heads at the turns our balls took heading up, down and across the slopes.

The final stretch was maybe the best on the course, providing us firm ground, ample undulation and enough wind to make links shotmaking necessary.

As if to ice the cake, I chipped from a rough-covered ridge 50 yards short of the 18th green to within a foot to secure my par. Robin matched me by holing a 40-footer. James finished off with a putt for par that if Robin and I were nicer blokes we'd have conceded!

Birdie or bogey, the smile didn't leave my face all day. I had realised a dream that evolved almost 20,000km away from where I stood. It was a good day!

It was after 11pm by the time I was back through the front door at home - about 19 hours after I departed.

I was exhausted, but I was elated. Was elated? I still am.


The cute clubhouse, which reminded me of a cricket ground pavilion.


The short par three 8th/17th on the Channel course - worthy of a higher profile.


The opening hole of the main course, typical of the dunes that await.


Recreating the landscape that excited me more than two years ago, almost 20,000km away!


Sitting in a slight punchbowl, the 3rd green.


The par three 5th is the first in a series of great one-shot holes.


The subtle 7th green on the flatter section of the course.


Burnham Church overlooks the 12th green.


The perfectly-sited 15th green.


Almost driveable, the 16th is a frustratingly difficult short par four.

« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 09:40:24 AM by Scott Warren »

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 04:47:52 PM »
Holy Smokes!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for the BUDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great work Scott!
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Ron Csigo

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 05:22:22 PM »
Brilliant pictures Scott!  It's photo threads like this one that get my blood flowing and make me anxious to visit England.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 11:23:00 PM »
Scott

Am glad to see you finally got to B&B. For mine it has some absolute crackers intermixed with a couple of lesser holes after the turn. Some real good greensites as well.

Your favourite hole ?

How do you compare it to St Enodoc ?

Did you try the cider or ale down there ?

James Boon

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 04:06:26 AM »
Scott,

It was a real pleasure to have you and Robin come down to Burnham. I am genuinely pleased that you enjoyed it!

The biggest thrill of the day for me, was the Channel course. I'd only played it once before, hadn't had such a great time, so I thought it rather dull. A second playing really opened my eyes to some great golf holes!

Regarding the Championship course, I too would love to hear which holes you enjoyed the most and why?

Your photo of the 5th, which was taken from the new back tee, really does show how tricky that hole has become from back there!

For anyone else who likes the look of Burnham, here are the details of the pre-Buda visit. As we are only a month away and there are still some places, anyone else, whether attending Buda or not, is very welcome. Just send me a PM or reply to the thread:
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,42628.0/

Cheers,

James

ps The lack of a concession on that last putt has been noted regarding future visits...  ;D
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Paul Nash

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 04:43:13 AM »
well done Scott. Burnham is a great course with lots of damatic dunes and some great subtle contouring around and on the greens that you would only properly learn after many attempts - Mr Arble clearly knows his way round the course - he had 3 birdies on the bounce at the end of the front 9 when we played - I don't think I have seen anyone else do that!

Scott Warren

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2010, 04:56:41 AM »
Favourite holes?

My favourite par three was probably the 9th. I liked the fact it allowed for an approach that lands short and kicks up onto the green, which I suppose is wise given that the prevailing wind, as I understand it, blows from behind you on that hole.

The green was a great segmented one with lots of slopes to run chips off to access various pins and the slopes onto the green at the left edge made escape to a tight pin from one of the bunkers bloody tough, because it's one of those shots where you want to pop it straight up and land it just an inch over the bunker lip - and how often in playing that shot do we then go and leave it at our feet?!

All the par threes were great for different reasons, but it was 9 and 14 that stood out for me.

The 16th is a brilliant short par four, made as good as it is by the brilliant green. I could have played that hole all day long, trying different strategies from the tee.

I'm sorry I played the 2nd a bit disfunctionally, because it looked wonderful and chopping my way down the left-hand flank probably wasn't the best way to experience that!

The 12th was another great longer par four. I loved the lack of definition on the drive, with the dune running R-to-L and then THAT approach shot.

I have a feeling many might rate it the lesser of the three par fives, but my favourite of the long holes was #8. It was just really simple but effective architecture from tee to green: the angled drive acrioss the creek with the bunkers pressuring, the little patch of rushes in the lay-up zone, and the great false-front and L-to-R movement of the green. I suppose it would be easy to be won over by the terrific ground the 13th traverses, but for me 8 was just a really muscular hole for its length, but infitinely playable.

I can't highlight enough how good the green complexes are at Burnham. 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 are all as good as it gets, IMO.

Kevin: Comparing it to St Enodoc?

Burnham is more wholely contained on genuine linksland, which elevates it for me. And the flow from the dramatic dunes to the flatter links is a perfect transition.

Burnham may not have had the highs of St Enodoc's best moments, but it went nowhere near St E's bum notes, either.

I have B&B winning 4&2 in a matchplay with St E (the 17th would be halved and the 18th would be won by St E).

As is often the case with me, it ultimately comes down to the greensites. I think Burnham's are just that much better (though the likes of 1, 2, 6, 13, 14, 17 and 18 at St E are no clouches!).

As far as comparisons, I felt more of an affinity between B&B and Trevose than B&B and St Enodoc. Maybe the Colt input and the fact neither B&B or Trevose are overcome by bunkers. The dunes felt similar also.

Sean_A

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2010, 05:28:06 AM »
Scott

I too think #8 is a wonderful par 5 because the "go for it" approach is as good as it gets in do and don't die architecture.  That said, I think #13 from the old (and far better) tee is a very clever hole with perhaps the best green in terms of quality and interest on the course.  But I also like the 4th because of the clever drive.  The angled fairway doesn't cozy up to the tee making the choices of where to play infinite.  Most want to cut the corner as much as possible, but the angle of approach is usually better on centre-left of the fairway - a good dilemma.  It could be said that these three holes are a microcosm of the course.  Very solid holes that bhang together very well as a group, but little which creates a wow factor.  It could also be said that this sort of design is Colt all over.  You can't really question his designs as they are nearly always solid top to bottom (including the pacing of the course - Burnham is an example of this), but he didn't take all that many risks with wow factor design considering how many courses he built.  At the end of the day, Burnham (Formby is another) is a great example of Colt's style in revising courses.  He certainly left his mark, but he also made sure to keep the best of what already existed. This makes for an intriguing mix of modern and early design.  While I don't rate Burnham among my absolute favourites or best (but it is close on both accounts), its combination of quality, steadfast design with the odd bit of quirk easily makes Burnham as much of a "must see" as many other more favoured courses in GB&I.  Ran and I have a running battle going as to which is better, Burnham (which I don't think Ran rates at all) or Westward Ho!.  For the life of me I can't see how there can be any mistaking that Burnham is superior (if we only look at the course) and this is coming from a Fowler lover, but that is the great thing about this subject; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  

Your matchplay between St Enodoc and Burnham was interesting and bears out that problem with comparative technique and also how steady Burnham is a course.  Although, since writing my piece I have come to belleve that there are moments of the whimsical at Burnham, it just takes some time to discover them properly.  BTW - I didn't have St Enodoc whitewashed, but Burnham did win 1 up!  

I am happy you enjoyed yourself.  See you in a  few weeks.

Ciao
« Last Edit: August 18, 2010, 05:46:14 AM by Sean Arble »
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Andrew Mitchell

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 05:41:58 AM »
Scott
Burnham looks great from the photos you've posted.

Fantastic green complexes but seemingly an absence of significant bunkering? I see one on the 5th and one on the 16th.

Is that representative of the rest of the course?

Other than a week in Cornwall (when I played St Enodoc) I've never spent any time in the South West.
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Scott Warren

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 05:49:54 AM »
Andrew:

I count about 46 bunkers, but they tend to be bunched at certain points (ie. 6 on the 2nd, 5 on the 8th, 6 on the 9th 4 at the 18th green) and the 5th and 17th greens each have three bunkers.

So that's 27 bunkers on 6 holes, leaving less than 20 on the other 12!

1, 4, 12 and 14 are bunkerless (as I remember it).

James Boon

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 09:10:02 AM »
Scott and Andrew,

I count bunkers as follows:

1. None
2. 6
3. 3
4. None
5. 3
6. 1 (plus a WWII bunker which doesn't really count)
7. 1
8. 4
9. 6

10. 2
11. 7
12. None
13. 1 (plus the sand footpath to the beach which is integral part of the course, and plays like a cross bunker)
14. None
15. 2
16. 2
17. 3
18. 4

Though I may be missing some? I think it shows that you can have a course that is a tough enough challenge to host top amateur events but doesn't need tons of bunkers or excessive length to protect it.

I still struggle to get my head around a favourite hole at Burnham? I know that it has one of my favourite openers anywhere and I'd say that 5 is my favourite of the par 3s, but after that its tricky as they are all good solid holes just to varying degrees without any having that wow factor, apart from the dune on the 10 tee shot I suppose?

Looking through the stats of the course after our round, I'd never noticed that every par 5 on the course is followed by a par 3, though I'm not sure what if anything that could mean?

I also know that even with the new tees I still struggle to fathom the best way to play the 13th?

Andrew,

We must get you down to the West Country some time!

Sean,

I too love the mix of styles across the course be it from the overall setting of a hole down to the differences in greens and their surrounds. I wouldn't advocate having loads of different architects input usually, but in Burnhams case it works wonderfully. I guess you are right in that Colt's guiding hand in the clubs early to mid years helped in this.

We obviously have a biased opinion, but I can't fathom how Ran rates Westward Ho! above Burnham? I'd love to take him around Burnham next time he is over to see if we can change his mind?

Cheers,

James

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Bill_McBride

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2010, 09:16:25 AM »
I am really excited about playing at B&B in just about a month, and thanks to James Boon for making the arrangements.  Seeing this thread now just gets the juices flowing even faster!

I was looking at the club's website (http://www.burnhamandberrowgolfclub.co.uk/courses/championship_course.php) and note that Herbert Fowler and Hugh Alison were members, that Harold Hilton and Dr Mackenzie were involved in some design changes, and that today it's mostly a Colt course.

Is there another course in England with a more distinguished - and varied - list of contributing architects?

Perhaps there needs to be a Buda sited in SW England!

Mark Pearce

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 09:29:24 AM »
Perhaps there needs to be a Buda sited in SW England!
Let's not start discussing BUDA IX before VIII is done and dusted.  After all, we need something to lessen the depression that October (and the end of the season) brings.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 09:34:17 AM »
Perhaps there needs to be a Buda sited in SW England!
Let's not start discussing BUDA IX before VIII is done and dusted.  After all, we need something to lessen the depression that October (and the end of the season) brings.

Well okay!  See you soon!

Scott Warren

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2010, 10:06:39 AM »
Robin Hiseman has a very cool idea for a future Buda. I won't spoil the surprise by revealing anything, but it's pretty attractive!

Sean_A

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2010, 05:33:33 PM »
Sean,

I too love the mix of styles across the course be it from the overall setting of a hole down to the differences in greens and their surrounds. I wouldn't advocate having loads of different architects input usually, but in Burnhams case it works wonderfully. I guess you are right in that Colt's guiding hand in the clubs early to mid years helped in this.

We obviously have a biased opinion, but I can't fathom how Ran rates Westward Ho! above Burnham? I'd love to take him around Burnham next time he is over to see if we can change his mind?

Cheers,

James



Boony

I love what RND stands for in the game and think all golfers should see the place, but so far as quality of design goes it is no surprise the course has faded from the GB&I top 100.  There are just too many very average holes on the course and really only a few very good ones.  That said, I think if one likes the rushes he will boost RDN, if he doesn't the course gets a knock. 

Scott

One of the interesting things about the bunkering is I often tend to ignore it until I get trapped.  The only holes I find bunkers normally are 5, 9, 11 & 17 - all greens which are fairly heavily protected and three are one shotters.  It is rare I find bunkers anywhere else. 

I am like Boony in that I don't really have a favourite hole, but the hole I respect the most is #7.     

Toughest par 3: most certainly #14.  Best par 3: #5.

Toughest par 4: could be 18.  Best par 4: could be #1, but I can accept an argument for most of them.

Toughest par 5: certainly #13.  Best par 5: #13 from the old tee. 

Ciao
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2010, 12:49:05 AM »
Is there another course in England with a more distinguished - and varied - list of contributing architects?

Bill

I would have thought possibly Ganton ?


Scott

The P3's for mine were also a strong collection at B&B - one of the many highlights for mine.

Aside - who's ball is close on 15 ? damn good shot in there  ;D



Scott Warren

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2010, 02:35:10 AM »
Why, thanks for asking, KP, that would be my ball! ;D (missed the birdie putt)

Sean: Why was 13 tee moved?

Sean_A

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2010, 03:10:11 AM »
Why, thanks for asking, KP, that would be my ball! ;D (missed the birdie putt)

Sean: Why was 13 tee moved?

Scott

It was literally sacrificed for the sake of flat bellies.  Burnham will have hosted the English Amateur, Tillman, British Boys & the Brabazon in quick succession.  These guys could usually comfortably carry the bridle path making the hole very short as a par 5.  To me, I would rather they just played the champ tees from women's tee and called it a par 4 from there rather than mess up the old tee angle.  Now, guys of our length don't usually have to worry about dealing with the bridle path and the tee shot is dead straight - how much more boring could they have made this once terrific driving hole which matched #s 3, 4, 6, 8 and 18 for interest?  I can only hope the committee will come to their senses and keep that old tee in play for the members to enjoy.

Ciao
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James Boon

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2010, 03:46:41 AM »
Sean,

They seem to have retained the old tees in a playable condition so far, and they are still on the new yardage book, but the path through the dunes to the next tee only goes past them, without really going up to them if you know what I mean.

I got the impression that with the new reservoir being built they could remove the old water tank that used to sit back down there (where the new tee is now), almost as if they had been wanting to lengthen the hole for a while but couldn't without using that land?

Bill,

Regarding architects involved at Burnham, don't forget JH Taylor, Pennick and Hawtree (can't remember which but could have been father and son, I'll check my history book later).

Cheers,

James
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Sean_A

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2010, 04:04:08 AM »
Sean,

They seem to have retained the old tees in a playable condition so far, and they are still on the new yardage book, but the path through the dunes to the next tee only goes past them, without really going up to them if you know what I mean.

I got the impression that with the new reservoir being built they could remove the old water tank that used to sit back down there (where the new tee is now), almost as if they had been wanting to lengthen the hole for a while but couldn't without using that land?

Bill,

Regarding architects involved at Burnham, don't forget JH Taylor, Pennick and Hawtree (can't remember which but could have been father and son, I'll check my history book later).

Cheers,

James

Boony

I wonder if they considered building the old tee back to the new reservoir to keep the angle?  With all that sand from the reservoir it wouldn't have been much bother to effectively extend the old tee back using that sand as fill - perhaps in addition to the new tee.  Its a good compromise and still creates effectively three main teeing areas all offering completely different tee shots.  This is something in general I would like to see the club explore more because I think this sort of thng really works well on other holes such as 2, 5, 7, 8, 11 & 15.  Lord knows the land is there - why not use some of it?


BTW Hawtree 2nd and 3rd generation were involved on #6.  ITs a true father-son collaboration, allbeit spanning 30 years!

Ciao
« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 04:05:51 AM by Sean Arble »
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Scott Warren

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2010, 04:39:10 AM »
This talk of the small number of bunkers at B&B got me wondering if there is a well-regarded links with less.

Rye, going by the aerial, has 40, with 1, 4, 5, 8, 10 (if you don't count the greenside traps on 17 as playing a role), 15 and 18 being bunkerless.

Is there a well-regarded links with fewer than 40 bunkers and/or more than seven bunkerless holes?

David_Elvins

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2010, 05:14:35 AM »
Nice read Scott. 
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2010, 05:16:46 AM »
Guys,

I am really looking forward to playing Burnham - especially Boony being non-stop about how good it is!  ;D. The holes look very similar to the dune holes at Hunstanton. The Colt greens are similar to the ones on the front nine at P+K.

I suspect I will be hitting a few shots of the mounds - it adds spice to the round of golf!

Cheers
Ben

Sean_A

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Re: Burnham & Berrow: The realisation of a dream
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2010, 06:38:08 AM »
This talk of the small number of bunkers at B&B got me wondering if there is a well-regarded links with less.

Rye, going by the aerial, has 40, with 1, 4, 5, 8, 10 (if you don't count the greenside traps on 17 as playing a role), 15 and 18 being bunkerless.

Is there a well-regarded links with fewer than 40 bunkers and/or more than seven bunkerless holes?

Scott

You are right, Burnham is quite light on sand especially for a minor championship course. 

Almost all of my favourite courses are fairly lightly bunkered - in the UK North Berwick being unsually heavily bunkered at about 75ish but many are wind situational.  I don't know the number at St Enodoc, but it ain't a lot.  Enniscrone might have about 40.  Pennard in the 30 range.

Ciao 
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