[brad_miller]

Jeff,

Why did C&C not finish the course? What was left for others?? to finish. And most important what is going on there with the club and its business model. Might Outpost Club take a stake?

[Mark McKeever]

So, when is the course supposed to open up?

Mark

[Jeff Dawson]

Jeff,

Why did C&C not finish the course? What was left for others?? to finish. And most important what is going on there with the club and its business model. Might Outpost Club take a stake?

Brad
I was happy to comment about the routing, but I would prefer to limit my comments to that.  

[Jeff Dawson]

Those waste areas look great!  Looks like you could end up with some crazy lies! I like the little ripples in the fairways too...looks absolutely gorgeous! 

I'm pretty sure this is why Pinehurst brought in C&C for #2. They want that same look.

Regarding Pinehurst No. 2...... Ran Morrissett predicted No. 2 would change because of Coore Crenshaw building Dormie before Dormie started.  His only question was when not if.  I hate admitting he was right again...

[Thomas Patterson]

So, when is the course supposed to open up?

Mark

Seconded!  Looks like the perfect spot for a GCA get-together!   

[Mike Nuzzo]

Regarding Pinehurst No. 2...... Ran Morrissett predicted No. 2 would change because of Coore Crenshaw building Dormie before Dormie started.  His only question was when not if.  I hate admitting he was right again...

Has anyone ever heard of traveling to see great work?
Or were they afraid of the competition?

[Steve Kline]

Regarding Pinehurst No. 2...... Ran Morrissett predicted No. 2 would change because of Coore Crenshaw building Dormie before Dormie started.  His only question was when not if.  I hate admitting he was right again...

Has anyone ever heard of traveling to see great work?
Or were they afraid of the competition?

As soon as I saw the first pictures of the Dormie Club I knew it would happen. It's not they are afraid of competition. #2 and the Dormie Club serve two totally different markets. But, what would it say about the resort being the home of golf and hosting major championship and the resort's best course is not even the highest ranked course in the area? I think that is more their motivation.


Other than the Tufts family Pinehurst has always been slow on the uptake. Sand Hills opened in 1995 and started a trend in design That was followed by Bandon Dunes in 1999. In 1999 Pinehurst held its first Open and used course #4 for hospitality tents and the merchandise tent. The #4 course was going to be redesigned. Pinehurst had the opportunity then to do something dramtic in renovating #4. Instead they hired Fazio or Jones (I can never remember which because the course doesn't excite me so I don't care) and got another course just like all the ones they have and similar to a lot of courses in the south. They could have been part of the trend and then renovated all of the courses in that mold. Instead it's 11 years later and they are just now seeing the need/opportunity in getting the look and feel of Pinehurst's roots back. This would set the resort apart from other courses in the area as there really isn't much difference now.

[Michael Dugger]

Can someone clarify what it means when you say "Coore and Crenshaw are not/did not finish the course"

I would like to know more about this.  Is another architect wrapping it up?

Are the developers doing it themselves?

Is a construction company finishing it according to C & C's plans?  Wait!  I didn't think C & C worked like that?

I have a hard time understanding these matters.  Coore and Crenshaw work in the dirt with their associates.  How can someone else...some other group come along and finish the course in the same style C & C et al would have in the first place???

[Jud_T]

Michael,

While I am only guessing, it appears that the original economics of the plan-walking only, high-end club with select tasteful real-estate component, was no longer feasable once the real-estate bubble burst.  Perhaps the reason C&C didn't finish things was because the checks stopped coming in.....

[George Pazin]

There was no discussion about Augusta during the routing.  There was discussion about Sunningdale, Pine Valley circa 1930 and Oakmont

I'd love to hear more about this, should you feel so inclined...

[Thomas Patterson]

To these untrained eyes, I notice the Pine Valley similarities immediately, and I think most of which are the waste areas, at least visually.  I have only seen pictures of PV though.

[hhuffines]

I wonder what the over/under is on the number of balls required for a round?  I had a friend play 15 holes or so there last month and said its great but difficult!  Particularly troublesome around the greens he said.  Very interesting situation going on it seems, but I am thankful for Pinehurst taking such a chance with #2!!!

[Chris Buie]

Regarding all the questions put forth about Dormie: discussions always go on about courses but I'm not privy to any definitive answers.  I do know the routing and I know how curious you aficionados are about the course so I thought I'd share that with you.

[Willie_Dow]

Those pics remind me of Hidden Creek, another C/C in South Jersey.  Great natural architecture for the complete game.

[Jeff Dawson]

The superintendent, Jim Evans, has resigned.

[PThomas]

The superintendent, Jim Evans, has resigned.

wow...there are a lot of interesting non-public stories behind this place!

[Thomas Patterson]

What prompted the super to leave?? 

Is the private model being abandoned?

[Brad Tufts]

No offense Jeff, as you obviously have good insight on the DC project....but why give some information and then refrain from elaborating?

If I had info that I didn't want to comment on, I wouldn't tease it...I would wait for someone without a connection to the property to spill the beans...

[Jeff Dawson]

Good news - while there are a lot of things going on at Dormie, they have decided to open it for public play.  In doing so they will have the best public access Coore Crenshaw course on the east coast.  As most of Coore Crenshaw's best courses are private this will be a good opportunity for people to see their work.  Hopefully they will decide to bring Coore Crenshaw back to finish the detail work on the course soon.   Either way this will be a good opportunity to see a great example of their work.

[JC Jones]

Jeff, when? 

[Jud_T]

I smell a GCA outing in our future, and it smells sweet!

[Thomas Patterson]

I think this is excellent news and I can't wait to make the drive up to take a look!  Any more details you can share Jeff?

[Jeff Dawson]

The course is open for play and I was led to believe it is open for public play immediately.  While it is open, and I have been told the tees, fairways and greens are in good shape, most who have played it recently say it is a bit rough around the edges still.

[JC Jones]

google says 90.2 miles from my house to the Dormie Club.  hmmmmmmm

[Jud_T]

How about an official outing Ran?  2012- Renovated #2, Dormie, Tobacco Road, Pine Needles and Mid-Pines, with the guest speaker (hint, hint) of your choice?  I might be able to access whore some of the lowlifes here into Forest Creek North and South as well....

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