[Mac Plumart]

FYI...the 2010 Golfweek Modern and Classic lists are out.

[Jud_T]

The Modern
1960-Present

1. Sand Hills Golf Club       9.34
(No. 1 in 2009, p) Mullen, Neb.
1995, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

2. Pacific Dunes  9.23
(2, r) Bandon, Ore.
2001, Tom Doak

3. Whistling Straits (Straits)                8.68
(3, r) Kohler, Wis.
1997, Pete Dye

4. Bandon Dunes                8.29
(5, r) Bandon, Ore.
1999, David McLay Kidd   

5. Ballyneal           8.27
(8, p) Holyoke, Colo.
2006, Tom Doak

6. Sebonack Golf Club       8.24 
(7, p) Southampton, N.Y.
2006, Tom Doak, Jack Nicklaus

7. The Golf Club  8.23
(9, p) New Albany, Ohio
1967, Pete Dye

8. Pete Dye Golf Club         8.19
(4, p) Bridgeport, W.Va.
1994, Pete Dye

9. Friar’s Head     8.15
(6, p) Baiting Hollow, N.Y.
2003, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

10. Shadow Creek Golf Club            8.12
(10, r) North Las Vegas, Nev. 
1990, Tom Fazio

11. Muirfield Village Golf Club         8.06
(11, p) Dublin, Ohio
1974, Jack Nicklaus

12. Old Sandwich Golf Club              8.06
(13, p) Plymouth, Mass.
2004, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

13. Kinloch Golf Club         8.05
(12, p) Richmond, Va.
2000, Lester George

14. Spyglass Hill Golf Club               7.87
(15, d) Pebble Beach, Calif.
1966, Robert Trent Jones Sr.

15. Honors Course              7.86
(14, p) Ooltewah, Tenn.
1983, Pete Dye

16. TPC Sawgrass (Players Stadium)             7.85
(16, r) Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.
1981, Pete Dye

17. Ocean Course at Kiawah Island                7.81
(18, r) Kiawah Island, S.C.
1991, Pete Dye

18. Wade Hampton Club   7.77
(17, p) Cashiers, N.C.
1988, Tom Fazio

19. Kingsley Club                7.65
(20, p) Kingsley, Mich.
2001, Mike Devries

20. Chambers Bay Golf Club            7.60
(19, d) University Place, Wash.
2007, Robert Trent Jones Jr., Bruce Charlton

21. Calusa Pines Golf Club               7.59
(21, p) Naples, Fla.
2001, Dana Fry, Michael Hurdzan

22. Colorado Golf Club      7.58
(23, p) Parker, Colo.
2007, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

23. Bayonne Golf Club       7.47
(35, p) Bayonne, N.J. 
2006, Eric Bergstol

24. Dunes Club    7.47
(24, p) New Buffalo, Mich.
1995, Dick Nugent

25. Dallas National Golf Club           7.46
(25, p) Dallas
2003, Tom Fazio

26. Wild Horse Golf Club   7.45
(27, d) Gothenburg, Neb.
1999, Dave Axland, Dan Proctor

27. Mayacama Golf Club   7.44
(38, p) Santa Rosa, Calif.
2001, Jack Nicklaus

28. Bandon Trails                7.43
(22, r) Bandon, Ore. 
2005, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

29. Castle Pines Golf Club                7.43
(31, p) Castle Rock, Colo.
1981, Jack Nicklaus

30. World Woods GC (Pine Barrens)               7.41 
(33, d) Brooksville, Fla.
1993, Tom Fazio

31. Harbour Town Golf Links            7.40
(28, r) Hilton Head Island, S.C.
1970, Pete Dye

32. Desert Forest Golf Club               7.40
(30, p) Carefree, Ariz.
1962, Red Lawrence

33. Monterey Peninsula CC (Shore)               7.40
(29, p) Pebble Beach, Calif.
1961, Robert Baldock, Jack Neville; 
Mike Strantz (2004)

34. Double Eagle Golf Club              7.39
(40, p) Galena, Ohio
1991, Jay Morrish, Tom Weiskopf

35. Galloway National Golf Club      7.38
(34, p) Galloway Township, N.J. 
1995, Tom Fazio

36. Boston Golf Club          7.38
(26, p) Hingham, Mass.
2005, Gil Hanse

37. Arcadia Bluffs                7.36
(32, d) Arcadia, Mich.
1999, Rick Smith

38. *Gozzer Ranch              7.35
(NR, p) Coeur d’Alene, Idaho
2007, Tom Fazio

39. Blackwolf Run (River)  7.34
(36, r) Kohler, Wis.
1988, Pete Dye

40. Pronghorn (Fazio)        7.34
(51, p) Bend, Ore.
2006, Tom Fazio

41. Fallen Oak Golf Club   7.30
(55, r) Saucier, Miss.
2006, Tom Fazio

42. Paa-Ko Ridge Golf Club              7.29
(43, d) Sandia Park, N.M.
2000, Ken Dye

43. Black Diamond Ranch (Quarry) 7.28
(41, p) Lecanto, Fla.
1988, Tom Fazio

44. The Club at Cuscowilla               7.24
(39, r) Eatonton, Ga.
1998, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

45. *Whispering Pines Golf Club     7.23
(NR, p) Trinity, Texas
2000, Jack Nicklaus

46. Sutton Bay Club            7.22
(42, p) Onida, S.D. 
2003, Graham Marsh

47. The Preserve 7.21
(50, p) Carmel Valley, Calif.
2000, Tom Fazio

48. Karsten Creek Golf Club             7.21
(46, d) Stillwater, Okla.
1994, Tom Fazio

49. The Club at Black Rock               7.19
(44, p) Coeur d’Alene, Idaho
2003, Jim Engh

50. Quail Hollow Club        7.18
(45, p) Charlotte, N.C.
1961, George Cobb; Tom Fazio (2000)

51. Trump National Golf Club           7.13
(53, p) Bedminster, N.J.
2004, Tom Fazio

52. Forest Highlands GC (Canyon) 7.13
(48, p) Flagstaff, Ariz.
1989, Jay Morrish, Tom Weiskopf

53. Long Cove Club            7.11
(47, p) Hilton Head Island, S.C. 
1982, Pete Dye

54. Wolf Run         7.09
(37, p) Zionsville, Ind.
1990, Steve Smyers

55. The Rim          7.08
(49, p) Payson, Ariz.
1998, Jay Morrish, Tom Weiskopf

56. Butler National Golf Club            7.08
(59, p) Oak Brook, Ill.
1974, Tom Fazio, George Fazio

57. Sea Island GC (Seaside)            7.07
(83, r) St. Simons Island, Ga.
2000, Tom Fazio; Charles H. Alison, 
Harry S. Colt (1929); Joe Lee (1970)

58. Lahontan Golf Club      7.07
(70, p) Truckee, Calif.
1999, Tom Weiskopf

59. Atlantic Golf Club          7.06
(64, p) Bridgehampton, N.Y.
1992, Rees Jones               

60. The Concession            7.06
(60, p) Sarasota, Fla.
2006, Jack Nicklaus

61. Olde Farm Golf Club    7.06
(58, p) Bristol, Va.
2001, Bobby Weed

62. Kapalua GC (Plantation)             7.04
(66, r) Maui, Hawaii
1991, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

63. Lost Dunes Golf Club  7.04
(52, p) Bridgman, Mich.
1999, Tom Doak

64. Cog Hill GC (No. 4 – Dubsdread)              7.03
(NR, d) Lemont, Ill.
1964, Dick Wilson, Rees Jones (2008)

65. Eugene Country Club  7.02
(56, p) Eugene, Ore.
1967, Robert Trent Jones; 
H. Chandler Egan (1928)

66. Kiawah Island Club (Cassique) 7.01
(61, p) Kiawah Island, S.C.
2000, Tom Watson

67. Victoria National Golf Club         7.01
(63, p) Newburgh, Ind.
1999, Tom Fazio

68. Black Sheep Golf Club                7.00
(62, p) Sugar Grove, Ill.
2002, David Esler

69. Shoal Creek Golf Course            6.99
(65, p) Birmingham, Ala.
1976 Jack Nicklaus

70. Sanctuary       6.99
(57, p) Sedalia, Colo. 
1997 Jim Engh

71. Hidden Creek Golf Club              6.98
(78, p) Egg Harbor Township, N.J. 
2002 Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

72. Briggs Ranch Golf Club               6.97
(54, p) San Antonio
2001 Tom Fazio

73. Powder Horn GC (Mountain/Stag)            6.97
(76, d) Sheridan, Wyo.
1997 Dick Bailey

74. Hazeltine National Golf Club     6.96
(68, p) Chaska, Minn.
1962 Robert Trent Jones Sr., Rees Jones

75. We-Ko-Pa GC (Saguaro)            6.96
(67, d) Fort McDowell, Ariz.
2006 Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw

76. Estancia          6.96
(79, p) Scottsdale, Ariz.
1995 Tom Fazio

77. Black Mesa Golf Club  6.95
(94, d) La Mesilla, N.M.
2002 Baxter Spann

78. Crooked Stick Golf Club              6.94
(69, p) Carmel, Ind.
1966 Pete Dye

79. Greywalls at Marquette GC         6.94
(92, d) Marquette, Mich.
2005 Mike DeVries

80. Golf Club at Ravenna  6.94
(100, p) Littleton, Colo.
2007 Jay Morrish

81. Jupiter Hills Club (Hills)               6.90
(77, p) Tequesta, Fla.
1970 George Fazio

82. Pumpkin Ridge GC (Witch Hollow)           6.90
(71, p) Cornelius, Ore.
1991 Bob Cupp, John Fought

83. Ocean Forest Golf Club               6.89
(74, p) Sea Island, Ga.
1994 Rees Jones

84. Southern Highlands GC              6.88
(75, p) Las Vegas
1999 Robert Trent Jones Sr., Robert Trent Jones Jr.

85. The Stone Canyon Club              6.88
(72, p) Oro Valley, Ariz.
2000 Jay Morrish

86. Whisper Rock GC (Upper)          6.88
(80, p) Scottsdale, Ariz.
2005 Tom Fazio

87. *Olde Stone   6.88
(NR, p) Bowling Green, Ky.
2006 Arthur Hills

88. Valhalla Golf Club        6.86
(84, p) Louisville, Ky.
1986 Jack Nicklaus

89. Robert Trent Jones Golf Club     6.86
(86, p) Lake Manassas, Va.
19911/1/91 Robert Trent Jones, Roger Rulewich

90. Forest Dunes Golf Club               6.85
(82, d) Roscommon, Mich. 
2003 Tom Weiskopf

91. Oak Tree National Golf Club      6.84
(NR, p) Edmond, Okla.
1975 Pete Dye

92. Princeville GC (Prince)                6.83
(85, r) Kauai          HI
1990 Robert Trent Jones Jr.

93. Harvester Golf Club     6.82
(73, d) Rhodes, Iowa
2000 Keith Foster

94. *Frederica Golf Club    6.82
(NR, p) St. Simons Island, Ga.
2004 Tom Fazio

95. Secession Golf Club    6.81
(88, p) Beaufort, S.C.
1992 Bruce Devlin, P.B. Dye

96. Quintero G&CC             6.80
(87, p) Peoria, Ariz.
2000 Rees Jones

97. Links of North Dakota  6.80
(90, d) Ray, N.D. 
1995 Stephen Kay

98. Caledonia Golf & Fish Club        6.78
(98, d) Pawleys Island, S.C. 
1994 Mike Strantz

99. Forest Creek GC (North)             6.78
(91, p) Southern Pines, N.C.
2005 Tom Fazio

100. *Windsong Farms Golf Club    6.77
(NR, p) Independence, Minn.
2003 John Fought, Tom Lehman

[Jud_T]

2010 Golfweek’s Best Classic Courses
THE CLASSICS before 1960

1. Pine Valley Golf Club     9.53
(No. 2 in 2009, p) Pine Valley, N.J.
1919, George Crump, H.S. Colt

2. Cypress Point Club         9.49
(1, p) Pebble Beach, Calif.
1928, Alister MacKenzie

3. Shinnecock Hills Golf Club           9.22
(3, p) Southampton, N.Y.
1931, William S. Flynn, Howard C. Toomey

4. National Golf Links of America    9.09
(7, p) Southampton, N.Y.
1911, Charles Blair Macdonald

5. Merion Golf Club (East) 9.11
(4, p) Ardmore, Pa.
1912, Hugh Wilson

6. Oakmont Country Club  9.01
(6, p) Oakmont, Pa.
1903, Henry Fownes

7. Crystal Downs 8.88
(8, p) Frankfort, Mich.
1931, Alister MacKenzie, Perry Maxwell

8. Pebble Beach Golf Links               8.86
(5, r) Pebble Beach, Calif.
1919, Douglas Grant, Jack Neville

9. Augusta National Golf Club          8.75
(9, p) Augusta, Ga.
1932, Bobby Jones, Alister MacKenzie

10. Fishers Island Golf Club              8.71
(11, p) Fishers Island, N.Y.
1926, Seth Raynor

11. San Francisco Golf Club             8.63
(12, p) San Francisco
1915, A.W. Tillinghast

12. Chicago Golf Club        8.55
(13, p) Wheaton, Ill.
1923, Seth Raynor; 
Charles Blair Macdonald (1894)

13. Prairie Dunes Country Club       8.54
(10, p) Hutchinson, Kan.
1937, Perry Maxwell; Press Maxwell (1957)

14. Seminole Golf Club     8.47
(15, p) North Palm Beach, Fla.
1929, Donald Ross

15. Pinehurst Resort (No. 2)              8.41
(14, r) Pinehurst, N.C.
1903-1946, Donald Ross

16. Winged Foot Golf Club (West)   8.30
(16, p) Mamaroneck, N.Y.
1923, A.W. Tillinghast

17. Oakland Hills CC (South)            8.10
(17, p) Bloomfield Hills, Mich.
1918, Donald Ross; 
Robert Trent Jones Sr. (1950)

18. Garden City Golf Club 8.10
(19, p) Garden City, N.Y.
1899, Devereux Emmet; 
Walter J. Travis (1909)

19. Bethpage State Park (Black)      8.07
(18, d) Farmingdale, N.Y.
1935, A.W. Tillinghast

20. The Country Club (Composite)  8.02
(23, p) Brookline, Mass.
1895, William Campbell; William S. Flynn, Howard C. Toomey (1931)

21. Los Angeles CC (North)              8.01
(20, p) Los Angeles
1927, William P. Bell, George C. Thomas Jr.; Herbert Fowler (1921)

22. Olympic Club (Lake)    8.00
(21, p) San Francisco
1929, Willie Watson, Sam Whiting

23. Riviera Country Club    7.96
(24, p) Pacific Palisades, Calif.
1927, William P. Bell, George C. Thomas Jr.

24. Camargo Club              7.94
(22, p) Indian Hill, Ohio
1921, Seth Raynor

25. Southern Hills Country Club       7.91
(25, p) Tulsa, Okla.
1936, Perry Maxwell

26. Shoreacres    7.79
(27, p) Lake Bluff, Ill.
1921, Seth Raynor

27. Wannamoisett Country Club      7.79
(26, p) Rumford, R.I.
1916, Donald Ross

28. Somerset Hills Country Club      7.75
(30, p) Bernardsville, N.J.
1918, A.W. Tillinghast

29. Plainfield Country Club               7.68
(28, p) Plainfield, N.J.
1921, Donald Ross

30. Pasatiempo   7.67
(29, d) Santa Cruz, Calif.
1929, Alister MacKenzie

31. Maidstone Club             7.66
(32, p) East Hampton, N.Y.
1899, William H. Tucker; Willie Park Jr. (1925)

32. Myopia Hunt Club         7.62
(31, p) Hamilton, Mass.
1896, Herbert Leeds

33. Winged Foot Golf Club (East)    7.55
(34, p) Mamaroneck, N.Y.
1923, A.W. Tillinghast

34. Oak Hill Country Club (East)      7.55
(35, p) Pittsford, N.Y.
1924, Donald Ross; 
George Fazio, Tom Fazio (1979)

35. Peachtree Golf Club    7.53
(33, p) Atlanta
1948, Bobby Jones, Robert Trent Jones Sr.

36. Baltusrol Golf Club (Lower)        7.51
(39, p) Springfield, N.J.
1922, A.W. Tillinghast

37. Inverness Club              7.51
(36, p) Toledo, Ohio
1919, Donald Ross; George Fazio, Tom Fazio (’78)

38. Quaker Ridge                7.50
(37, p) Scarsdale, N.Y.
1926, A.W. Tillinghast

39. Yeamans Hall Club      7.48
(38, p) Charleston, S.C.
1925, Seth Raynor

40. Baltimore Country Club (East)   7.46
(42, p) Timonium, Md.
1926, A.W. Tillinghast

41. Valley Club of Montecito             7.45
(40, p) Santa Barbara, Calif.
1928, Robert Hunter, Alister MacKenzie

42. Olympia Fields CC (North)         7.41
(41, p) Olympia Fields, Ill.
1922, Willie Park Jr.

43. Piping Rock    7.41
(46, p) Locust Valley, N.Y.
1913, Charles Blair Macdonald, Seth Raynor

44. Milwaukee Country Club             7.40
(48, p) Milwaukee
1929, Charles H. Alison, Harry S. Colt

45. Newport Country Club                 7.38
(45, p) Newport, R.I. 
1915, Donald Ross, A.W. Tillinghast

46. Salem Country Club    7.37
(43, p) Peabody, Mass.
1925, Donald Ross

47. The Course at Yale       7.36
(44, p) New Haven, Conn.
1926, Charles Blair Macdonald, Seth Raynor

48. Scioto Country Club     7.34
(50, p) Columbus, Ohio
1916, Donald Ross

49. Homestead Resort (Cascades) 7.32
(47, r) Hot Springs, Va.
1923, William S. Flynn

50. Colonial Country Club 7.32
(49, p) Fort Worth, Texas
1935, John Bredemus; Perry Maxwell (1940)

51. Interlachen Country Club            7.30
(52, p) Edina, Minn.
1911, Donald Ross; Willie Watson (1919)

52. Holston Hills Country Club         7.28
(53, p) Knoxville, Tenn.
1928, Donald Ross

53. East Lake Golf Club     7.27
(51, p) Atlanta
1915, Donald Ross; George Cobb (1960); 
Rees Jones (1994)

54. California Golf Club     7.25
(60, p) South San Francisco, Calif.
1926, Vernon Macan; Alister MacKenzie (1928); Kyle Philips (2007)

55. Kittansett Club               7.21
(59, p) Marion, Mass.
1922, Fred Hood

56. Aronimink Golf Club    7.19
(56, p) Newtown Square, Pa.
1928, Donald Ross

57. Lawsonia Golf Club (Links)        7.19
(58, d) Green Lake, Wis.
1929, William B. Langford, Theodore J. Moreau

58. Cherry Hills Country Club           7.15
(57, p) Englewood, Colo.
1923, William S. Flynn

59. Baltusrol Golf Club (Upper)        7.12
(68, p) Springfield, N.J. 
1922, A.W. Tillinghast

60. White Bear Yacht Club 7.11
(54, p) White Bear Lake. Minn.
1916, Donald Ross

61. Fenway Golf Club         7.10
(62, p) Scarsdale, N.Y.
1924, A.W. Tillinghast

62. Medinah Country Club (No. 3)   7.10
(55, p) Medinah, Ill.
1928, Tom Bendelow; Roger Packard (1986), Rees Jones (2004)

63. Essex County Club       7.10
(62, p) Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass.
1917, Donald Ross

64. NCR Country Club (South)         7.08
(63, p) Kettering, Ohio
1954, Dick Wilson

65. Lancaster Country Club              7.08
(65, p) Lancaster, Pa.
1930, William S. Flynn; David Gordon, William Gordon (1959)

66. Franklin Hills Country Club         7.06
(66, p) Franklin, Mich.
1926 Donald Ross

67. Mountain Lake              7.04
(70, p) Lake Wales, Fla.
1917 Seth Raynor

68. Congressional CC (Blue)            7.01
(74, p) Bethesda, Md.
1924       Devereux Emmet; Donald Ross (1930), Robert Trent Jones Sr. (1959), Rees Jones (1989)

69. Pine Needles Country Club        7.00
(64, r) Southern Pines,N.C.
1927 Donald Ross

70. Minikahda Club             6.97
(78, p) Minneapolis
1907 Willie Watson; Donald Ross (1917)

71. Ekwanok Country Club                6.95
(72, p) Manchester, Vt.
1899 Walter J. Travis; John Duncan Dunn (1927)

72. Huntingdon Valley Country Club               6.95
(69, p) Abingdon, Pa.
1927 William S. Flynn, Howard C Toomey

73. Whippoorwill Country Club         6.94
(73, p) Armomk, N.Y.
1925 Donald Ross; Charles Banks (1929)

74. Brookside Country Club              6.93
(67, p) Canton, Ohio
1922 Donald Ross

75. St. Louis Country Club 6.93
(71, p) St. Louis
1914 Charles Blair Macdonald, Seth Raynor

76. Rolling Green Golf Course         6.92
(92, p) Springfield, Pa.
1926 Howard C. Toomey, William S. Flynn

77. Indianwood Country Club (Old) 6.92
(75, p) Lake Orion, Mich.
1928 William Connellan, Wilfred Reid

78. Bel-Air Country Club    6.91
(82, p) Los Angeles
1927 William P. Bell, George C. Thomas Jr.

79. Canterbury Golf Club   6.91
(88, p) Beachwood, Ohio
1922 Herbert Strong

80. Taconic Golf Club         6.89
(81, p) Williamstown Mass.
1927 Wayne Stiles, John Van Kleek

81. Lehigh Country Club    6.89
(80, p) Allentown, Pa.
1928 William S. Flynn, Howard C. Toomey

82. Country Club of Fairfield             6.89
(78, p) Fairfield, Conn.
1914 Seth Raynor; A.W. Tillinghast (1925)

83. Creek Club     6.88
(86, p) Locust Valley, N.Y.
1925 Charles Blair Macdonald, Seth Raynor

84. Fox Chapel Golf Club  6.87
(76, p) Pittsburgh
1925 Charles Banks, Seth Raynor

85. Ridgewood Country  Club (East/West)     6.86
(83, p) Paramus, N.J. 
1929 A.W. Tillinghast

86. Philadelphia CC (Spring Mill)    6.83
(79, p) Gladwyne, Pa. 
1927 William S. Flynn, Howard Toomey

87. Northland Country Club              6.81
(84, p) Duluth, Minn.
1927 Donald Ross

88. Eastward Ho! 6.81
(87, p) Chatham, Mass.
1922 Herbert Fowler

89. Sankaty Head Golf Club             6.80
(91, p) Siasconset, Mass.
1921 H. Emerson Armstrong

90. Country Club of Buffalo              6.80
(NR, p) Williamsville, N.Y.
1923 Donald Ross

91. Old Town Club              6.78
(85, p) Winston-Salem, N.C.
1939 Perry Maxwell

92. Skokie Country Club    6.77
(90, p) Glencoe, Ill.
1904 Tom Bendelow; Donald Ross (1915); William B. Langford, Theodore J. Moreau (1938)

93. Westchester Country Club (West)             6.76
(NR, p) Rye, N.Y.
1922 Walter J. Travis

94. Laurel Valley Country Club        6.74
(NR, p) Ligonier, Pa.
1959 Dick Wilson

95. Moraine Country Club 6.69
(NR, p) Kettering, Ohio
1936 Alex Campbell; Dick Wilson (1954) 

96. Point O’Woods G&CC  6.66
(96, p) Benton Harbor, Mich.
1958 Robert Trent Jones Sr.

97. *Palmetto Club              6.69
(NR, p) Aiken, S.C. 
1892 Herbert Leeds; Alister MacKenzie (1932)

98. Hollywood Golf Club    6.67
(89, p) Deal, N.J.
1913 Walter J. Travis

99. Beverly Country Club   6.65
(99, p) Chicago
1916 Donald Ross

100. Dunes Golf & Beach Club        6.64
(94, r) Myrtle Beach, S.C. 
1949 Robert Trent Jones Sr.

[jonathan_becker]

I bet you Dixie guys like seeing Palmetto get in on the action for the classic list. 

My beloved Brookside has slipped a few spots, but it's just a list. 

[Tony Weiler]

I wonder why Sutton Bay has slipped so much?  Used to be as high as 13, I think. 

[Jim Nugent]

No Rock Creek on the modern list.

[JNC Lyon]

Can anyone explain why Fox Chapel dropped 8 spots in the rankings?  I played the course at the end of the summer, and I could not believe how good it is.  Frankly, I see no discernible difference between Fox Chapel and Yeamans Hall in terms of quality.  Yet Yeamans is almost 50 spots higher and 0.6 points higher.  I prefer the rugged look at Yeamans to the more manicured, Northeast parkland look at Fox Chapel.  However, Fox Chapel contains better terrain and has some very wild holes.  2, 7, 9, and 12 are all extremely unique, and the Raynor template holes are solid as usual.

Also, I think both Yeamans Hall and Fox Chapel are more interesting than The Country Club in Brookline.  Of course, I, nor any other golfer, can judge TCC for this list because they rate the Composite course.

[PCCraig]

Also, I think both Yeamans Hall and Fox Chapel are more interesting than The Country Club in Brookline.  Of course, I, nor any other golfer, can judge TCC for this list because they rate the Composite course.

You can actually play the Composite Course, and they do designate a handful of days per year as "Championship Course days." However, I agree with you that not each and every rater that has played the course was actually playing the Composite Course, therefore the rating is probably more accurate for the members course. It's a whole other issue which routing is actually "better." I do however know which one is tougher!

[PThomas]

No Rock Creek on the modern list.

probably not enough raters have played it

[Matt_Ward]

Jim N:

Good point / re: Rock Creek -- major omission big time.

Gents:

Someone will need to explain to me how Black Mesa and Greywalls (Marquette GC) are not in the top 50 modern -- plenty of fat cows in that grouping that could stand a little shaking out.

[Jud_T]

Does anyone really believe that Whistling Straights would be hanging tough at #3 if they had never hosted a major and weren't on the verge of hosting another?

[PThomas]

i'm surprised Cog Hill is back in

[Matt_Ward]

Jud:

I agree w you on WS -- gets plenty of ink for hosting majors but the course is not that big a deal and they have the wrong Dye course rated that high -The Ocean in SC should be higher than WS in my mind.

[Tim Bert]

While Golfweek certainly gives Kingsley much more credit than everyone else, I continue to fail to understand how Whistling Straits, Bandon Dunes, Spyglass Hill, and Honors can be considered better golf courses... I am sure I would feel the same about a good portion of the ones I haven't played too, but I won't speculate.

I just don't get it.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Are the points awarded to #'s 4 & 5 (classic) correct?

[Adam Russell]

I bet you Dixie guys like seeing Palmetto get in on the action for the classic list. 

My beloved Brookside has slipped a few spots, but it's just a list. 

It's good to see the course get some recognition. I think it's as good or better than Skokie about 10-15 spots ahead - hopefully more want to see it and Palmetto will stay on the list for awhile.

[Sean Leary]

What is amazing is the difference between numbers 50 and 100 on the modern list. Very small. I bet the difference between 100 and 200 is really small as well..

[Jim Nugent]

Are the points awarded to #'s 4 & 5 (classic) correct?

Don't know, but that is how they are listed on GW's website. 

I wish GW would also do a composite ranking, that includes both modern and classic on one list. 

[bstark]

 

Sebonack higher than Friar's Head....??

Come on....

[Jason Topp]

Interesting that The Harvester and Wolf Run dropped around 20 places each.  Both have been around long enough I would expect their positions to hold relatively steady.

[Patrick Hodgdon]

Does Erin Hills just have too much construction and changes going on to be on the top 100 modern?

[Cory Lewis]

Laurel Valley was on the modern list 4 times, the most recent being in 2001, now it's on the classic list?  In the last 9 years did they discover it opened in 1959 instead of 1960 or after?

[PThomas]

Does Erin Hills just have too much construction and changes going on to be on the top 100 modern?

yes it does Patrick..more work for next year, course might only open In July!

[Patrick Hodgdon]

Does Erin Hills just have too much construction and changes going on to be on the top 100 modern?

yes it does Patrick..more work for next year, course might only open In July!

I figured that was the case. I actually ran into Dr. Hurdzan yesterday and asked him how it was coming and he said it probably will be next August when they get it back open. He did say that the new owner is great and that he really thinks people are going to like what they changed. Should be interesting.

Would be fun to do the 2011 or '12 Midwest Mashie at Erin Hills and Lawsonia.

[Sean_A]

Here is the link to the Unofficial GCA.com rankings - compare!

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,37531.0/

Ciao

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