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Tim Gavrich

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P.B. Dye's Moorland course at Legends Resort in Myrtle Beach opened in 1991.  I played it today and found it to be very funky and interesting.  Doak's Heathland course and ___________'s Parkland course are nice and probably overshadow Moorland, but the Dye course holds its own.

There is a nice bit of fanciful-ness going on at Moorland--blind and semi-blind shots, lots of width, heaving greens, and--oh yes!--railroad ties.  Now, some people prefer to confine golf course wood to the trees that border holes, but I have rarely met a rotting plank beside a bunker or pond that I didn't like.

#1, par 4, ~390--A pretty easy opening tee shot, followed by a semi-blind approach to a big green.  The M.O. for P.B. Dye at Moorland seems to be to give players a safe area to miss and punishing them if they do not miss there.  A blind bunker fronts the green.




#2, par 5, ~525--The Dye angles gene emerges and establishes a pleasing motif.  Be as aggressive or conservative as you wish when hitting to a diagonally oriented landing area.  Fascinating bit of local-knowledge: it looks like the layup landing area is obnoxiously narrow with those bushes/planks intruding from the left, but as you will see in the pictures, there is actually fairway up there.







#3, par 4, ~400--Another rather diagonal landing area, another green bulkheaded out into water, but another large target with bailout opportunity.





#4, par 4, ~465--The first of a set of stout par 4s (4, 9, 12, 18).  The ominous thing left of the fairway is called "Big Bertha" and is not really in play off the tee.  The approach is a bit of a Mae West-inspired thing.




#5, par 3, ~175--Pretty tame one-shotter.  Steep slope left, waste area elsewhere.  Green slopes left to right.  A visual breather hole.


#6, par 5, ~505--Good, reachable (but not without peril) three shot hole.  Fun stuff.






#7, par 3, 245--I hope you made birdie on 6...


#8, par 4, 370--Beguiling short two-shotter.  The green is beyond the bushy hills but if you hit at them, the approach to a tabletop green will be blind.  If you go right, you might get a look.



#9, par 4, ~465--Another brute in terms of length, but not extremely compelling.  Another visual breather heading to the back nine.  Continuing the angled landing area motif.


#10, par 4, ~400--Again, a relatively easy opening tee shot on the back nine.  The approach is to a cool three-tier green.



#11, par 5, ~490--Good straightaway, reachable par 5 with a green that is properly devilish relative to the length of the hole.



#12, par 4, ~460--Another straightaway-ish hole where the length is the primary defense.  Another huge, undulating green.



#13, par 3, ~155--Sort of a variation on the Short concept.  The big mounds on the right are a little unnecessary, but what is left of them is nice enough--good movement in the green.


#14, par 4, ~365--Sort of like the 8th hole, where if you play out to the right you could get a better look at the green.  Solid drive-and-wedge hole.




#15, par 5, ~595--Miles-long three shot hole with another nice angled landing area.  If you hit a good drive, you will have the opportunity to carry the water and have a shortish third shot.  If not...good luck making par.  Good example of a par 5 that isn't necessarily a birdie hole.




#16, par 4, ~300--A drivable par 4 in the Myrtle beach area is a rarity and this one does not disappoint.  The green complex is wild and is one at which I'd love to spend a couple hours hitting various pitches, blasts, flops and such.



#17, par 3, ~200--Requires a solid long iron to avoid the waste area.  The tee boxes are neat, propped up by railroad ties stacked lincoln-log-style.


#18, par 4, ~440--P.B. saved the biggest (63 x 45) green for last.  And we finish with another nice angled landing area.




Is the Moorland course the best at Legends?  Probably not.  It is not far behind, though, and is a nice compliment to the other offerings.  If only they didn't overseed the fairways and greens, the course would have been made even more fun by firm and fast ground conditions.  Pretty good for K-Mart-by-the-Sea...

Cheers.

--Tim
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Link Walsh

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 12:59:45 AM »
Thanks for the tour.  I played there a few times in the early 90s and had a great time.  Makes me want to make a return trip to Myrtle sometime in the near future. 

Alex Miller

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 02:02:36 AM »
Great pics!

14 looks like an homage to 3 at Yale. Anyone else see it?

James Boon

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 04:08:36 AM »
Tim,

Thanks for the photo tour. Its nice to see a golf course at the moment, as over here in the UK we've all been under snow for a while, or so it seems  ::)

I've not played much US golf, and my only experiences of the Dye clan are Waterwood National (Pete and his brother?) and the River Course at Kingsmill (Pete on his own, but no mention in the recent monograph!). From other Dye courses I've read about or seen on TV I sort of think of these as Dye Lite, and Moorland's seems from the photos to have the same feel.

Anyway, if you'll excuse my ignorance, what I really want to know is... what are the little white posts in the centre of the fairways?

Cheers,

James
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 07:42:30 AM »
James,
Yardage markers, placed at 150 from the (usually) center of the green.

Tim,
Back in the 'early' days (if my memory is working properly  ;D ) Moorlands had the love/hate thing going on, it was considered to be the hardest course on The Strand and nearly impossible to play in a real wind.......and the few blind shots, trouble if you strayed from the fairways, deep bunkers, and ease of three putting, did not make for a very forgiving course.



   
 
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 07:46:22 AM »
Tim:

I'm just glad to hear someone from Virginia is playing golf right now!

The Moorland course is more interesting than I expected.  Your great commentary helps very much.  I played Heathland last year and think I'll rearrange to visit Moorland when I'm back in late July.

Thanks for posting.

WW

PS James: 150-yard stakes.

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 10:08:09 AM »
Tim,
These are great pictures, thanks for posting them and an excellent commentary.  I've got to say that I like the Moorlands much better in your pictures than I did when I played it.  It is by far my third choice at the Legends, and not a course that I expect to play again when I'm at MB unless I get caught in a squeeze with a three round pass from the Legends or something like that.

My gripe with the course is much like what Jim Kennedy said.  It is far too penal to be enjoyable if you aren't really on your game.  I had a decent round there, but my brother-in-law just had a miserable time.  We ended up playing a 5+ hr. round because he and a number of other people on the course that day couldn't stay out of trouble and couldn't get out when they got in.  You're a good golfer and the course probably wasn't too crowded, so you probably got around in pretty good fashion.  In peak season, you'll need to pack a lunch.

The interesting thing to me is how completely different the GCA philosophy of the Moorlands is from the other two courses.  That isn't necessarily bad, but it is a little jarring.  However, I will say that P.B. Dye appears to be consistent; this is one of four P.B. Dye courses I've seen, and this is the way he builds 'em!  They all have a very, very high funky factor.
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Eric Smith

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 10:44:18 AM »

Back in the 'early' days (if my memory is working properly  ;D ) Moorlands had the love/hate thing going on, it was considered to be the hardest course on The Strand and nearly impossible to play in a real wind.......and the few blind shots, trouble if you strayed from the fairways, deep bunkers, and ease of three putting, did not make for a very forgiving course.
 

All true.  Moorland, upon opening was dubbed something like "the PGA West of the East Coast".  And it was a beast, particularly in the wind.  The original course rating was one of the highest around at the time 76-ish I think.   

I have played 5 rounds on Moorland over the course of three trips there.  Always match play.  Some of the most memorable matches amongst friends I've ever had.

Thanks for the pics Tim.   The opener is a favorite for me, especially the second shot to a semi-blind green.  The carnage begins however on the next hole, even more so if teeing it from the tips behind the first green!  Pretty unique hole.


Anthony Gray

Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 10:48:21 AM »


 As a believer of The Give Me Somethin' School, I love this stuff. I want eye candy and smething that is memerable. I know it serves a purpose to retain the dirt but it also gives a nice aesthetic flair. Give me more.

  Anthony


Jud_T

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 10:52:26 AM »
WW,

Personally I wouldn't play Moorland with Heathland next door...
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John Foley

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 11:28:11 AM »
Wow - what a blast from the past!! I had a great time there in the early 90's, I think it may have been right after I played PGA West so I was very intrigued by this "style". I do remember the drivable par 4 16'th & the long par 52nd very well.

One of the places to get back and see along w/ the Heathland.
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Anthony Butler

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 01:32:12 PM »
I believe the Legends and Caledonia are the best multi-course facilities in Myrtle Beach.

Caledonia is on a more scenic property and part of it's own resort, so gets more attention. They're all good challenging courses though.

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 05:46:10 PM »
I thought Caledonia had only one course.

Tim:  Thanks for posting the photos.  I am not a huge fan of the Moorland course overall -- especially the three finishing holes -- but I thought P.B. did a great job building some dramatic and unusual holes without moving a ridiculous amount of dirt.  The fourth hole was a particular favorite.  However you glossed over the severity of a couple of greens like the 11th and 16th ... a 20-handicapper could spend ALL DAY pitching back and forth trying to get his ball to stay on those greens.

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 06:44:55 PM »
I thought Caledonia had only one course.



Tom,
True Blue has some resort-type rental housing, I think, and since it is right across the street from Caledonia, that must be what Anthony Butler is referring to.  There is, in fact, only one course at Caledonia.
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 07:17:36 PM »
Tom--

It's true; I probably did not give those greens sufficient props for toughness.  There are so many opportunities for wild and crazy recovery shots at Moorland, especially around those greens.  About three or four times I found myself contemplating ramming an 8-iron into a slope beside a green in order to pop it up and have it land softly on the putting surface; that's how dramatic some of the side slopes were.

Jud--

Have  you played Moorland before?  Heathland is definitely better and Parkland edges it out by a bit, but it's worth a look IMO.

Eric--

Not having played PGA West's Stadium course but having seen pictures, I certainly see the similarity.  It is a fun match play course, given the sheer number of death-or-glory shots.  A few holes can be won with bogey.

A.G.--

The course is undoubtedly penal, but I felt like as long as one plays from a fair set of tees, there are plenty of places to miss at Moorland.  My main beef with the course--as with most every course I have ever played--is that it would greatly benefit from being firmer and faster.  This would make it a bit shorter and more playable off the tee.

...which brings me to my main Southern US winter golf rant--why do golf courses down here overseed?  Pawleys Plantation, for the first time in years this winter, decided not to overseed the greens, and they are putting beautifully.  Moorland overseeded both fairways and greens, and the greens were very bumpy while the fairways looked like shag carpet.  If they left the dormant Bermuda, the ground would get firmer and for once, the course would play more like a links, which it loosely aims to imitate.  I simply do not believe that golfers would suddenly stop going on golf trips in the winter if courses left fairways dormant.  It would save money and make the golf courses more fun.
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Sean_A

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2010, 03:54:06 AM »
Tim

Thanks for the pix.  The course certainly looks interesting especially if one is into grade level architecture.  Though I must say it does look a bit severe in places with perhaps too much water (which probably couldn't be avoided).  This PB fella has me intrigued as the few tours of his courses I have seen seem to be quite interesting with a bit of funk. 

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James Boon

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2010, 05:32:43 AM »
Jim and WW,

Thanks. I thought they might be but I'm used to seeing 150 marker posts off to the side of the fairway in the rough.

Cheers,

James
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2010, 08:05:51 AM »
Aside:

"Unlike its older siblings, the Parkland course has a somewhat checkered design history.  After early involvement by the noted architect Tom Doak (designer of the Heathland course) and international designer Gil Hanse, local developer Larry Young and the late Mike Strantz (whom Grand Strand golfers have to thank for both Caledonia and True Blue) finished the design of The Parkland."

This is a quote from http://www.golfcommunityreviews.com/south-carolina/underrated-parkland-course-a-highlight-at-myrtle-beachs-legends-resort.html.

Quite possibly the only course in the world (the Parkland, mind you, not the Moorland) with fingerprints of Tom Doak, Gil Hanse and Mike Strantz (if the quote can be taken literally.)
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2010, 08:35:07 AM »

...which brings me to my main Southern US winter golf rant--why do golf courses down here overseed?  Pawleys Plantation, for the first time in years this winter, decided not to overseed the greens, and they are putting beautifully.  Moorland overseeded both fairways and greens, and the greens were very bumpy while the fairways looked like shag carpet.  If they left the dormant Bermuda, the ground would get firmer and for once, the course would play more like a links, which it loosely aims to imitate.  I simply do not believe that golfers would suddenly stop going on golf trips in the winter if courses left fairways dormant.  It would save money and make the golf courses more fun.

Tim,
The overseeding of anything other than the tee boxes of par threes is just for looks.  You see it really only on courses that either are trying to sell real estate or are trying to appeal to resort-type golfers who might not understand what happens to bermuda in the spring when it has to fight through the rye, or that there is nothing wrong with the color brown.

That said, I don't think you will find much in the SE playing firm and fast right now, whether or not it has been overseeded.  The last 4 months have been the wettest on record; any rain at all seems to just be sitting on the top few inches of the ground for days. 

Also, IMO, it is for the most part a great myth that dormant bermuda is F&F.  It is somewhat that way for the first month or so after it goes dormant, but once the root action has completely shut down for the winter, the ground tends to get and stay pretty soggy.  By Feb. and March, we're all just slopping around most years hoping that the bermuda comes out soon.
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2010, 11:50:39 AM »
Tom--

It's true; I probably did not give those greens sufficient props for toughness.  There are so many opportunities for wild and crazy recovery shots at Moorland, especially around those greens.  About three or four times I found myself contemplating ramming an 8-iron into a slope beside a green in order to pop it up and have it land softly on the putting surface; that's how dramatic some of the side slopes were.


Tim,
This is a great quote to explain why you like the Moorlands well enough, but it is not too much fun for most golfers, and not especially good GCA because of that. 

You LIKE "wild and crazy" recovery shots; most vacationing golfers can't play them.  If a player of your caliber had "three or four times" where the best shot available was to ramming an 8-iron chip into a bank IN ONE ROUND because of "how dramatic some of the side slopes were", the GCA has FAR exceeded the abilities of most to play the golf course.  It also guarantees very slow play when the course is at all crowded as players climb in and out of bunkers and three-putt repeatedly.

The other two courses at the Legends are the perfect contrast, I think.  Both are good tests, but don't require pinpoint accuracy and single-digit short games to play bogey golf.  Moorlands requires both.
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Jud_T

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 12:29:17 PM »
Ronald,

also the only course with those 3 names attached that I'll never see again... :-\
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 10:06:34 PM »
James,
They are a ridiculous invention, but on a course like Moorlands they actually give some visual comfort to the player, which is probably not a bad idea on a resort course in MB.
I think it was recently determined that the glacial pace of play on 'The Strand' was keeping global warming at bay here in the US.
 
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2010, 10:59:50 PM »
Am I remembering poorly or did the 15th not have railroad ties down the middle of the fairway instead of that collection of bunkers?

People like to harp on this course all the time but I have to admit I found it a lot of fun to play.
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Zen and the Art of Railroad Tie Arrangement--P.B. Dye's Moorland
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2010, 11:07:32 PM »
Am I remembering poorly or did the 15th not have railroad ties down the middle of the fairway instead of that collection of bunkers?

People like to harp on this course all the time but I have to admit I found it a lot of fun to play.

If that's true, that would make a lot of sense.  The bunkers that exist there now are a little out-of-character with the rest of the bunkers.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were added after the course had been around a little while.
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