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Dan Herrmann

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What are some examples of architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here?

Matt_Ward

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 12:24:09 PM »
Dan:

See the work of Art Shaupeter -- used to work with Keith Foster. Did a solid effort with Highland Meadows in Windsor, CO (just south of Ft. Collins) -- very affordable, walkable and quite good in plenty of ways.

Another quick course that gets little attention comes from Ron Farris with his work GC at Red Rock in the Rapid City, SD area. Just like Highland Meadows -- quite affordbale, walkable and solid with plenty of interesting holes.

Closer to my home -- check out Dan Schlegel's work at Heron Glen in the Hunterdon County (NJ) town of Ringoes.

Ben Sims

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »
Dan:

See the work of Art Shaupeter -- used to work with Keith Foster. Did a solid effort with Highland Meadows in Windsor, CO (just south of Ft. Collins) -- very affordable, walkable and quite good in plenty of ways.

Another quick course that gets little attention comes from Ron Farris with his work GC at Red Rock in the Rapid City, SD area. Just like Highland Meadows -- quite affordbale, walkable and solid with plenty of interesting holes.

Closer to my home -- check out Dan Schlegel's work at Heron Glen in the Hunterdon County (NJ) town of Ringoes.

Matt,

Funny you mention Art Schaupeter.  While I was on my 4 month stint in San Antonio this summer, living in a hotel room, I read and posted a ton on GCA.  I learned a lot of the preliminary stuff needed to start understanding golf architecture. 

I played golf several times at The Republic GC--a semi-private Art Schaupeter layout.  It was at that course where I really could start identifying good and bad features.  That golf course is very interesting in that--more than any course I've ever played--you can finish a hole and say one of two things.  1) That is how a golf hole should look and play or 2) That is a great example of how not to do things.

Roger Wolfe

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 12:50:14 PM »
Kris Spence.  Amazing work at Cape Fear, Sedgefield, Carolina Golf Club, Myers Park Country Club, Forsyth and Mimosa Hills.

Michael Blake

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 01:05:21 PM »
Dan,

I don't know about great, but Jim Blaukovitch has done some interesting courses in our region that are also affordable.  I'm sure the Golf Club Atlas public golfers in our area certainly know of his work.  Outside this region I'm not so sure.

http://www.jbadesigns.com/golf_new_rep.html


Jim Adkisson

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 01:14:33 PM »
Bill Robinson has built a number of fun layouts in Oregon/SW Washington that I enjoy:

OGA
Tri-Mountain
Chehalem Glenn
Ocean Dunes

a more complete list: http://www.worldgolf.com/golf-architects/bill-robinson.html

Matt_Ward

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 01:16:15 PM »
Michael:

A good example on the Jim B side of things -- is Stone Hedge in the Scranton area. Gets little mention although the uphill 2nd is certainly on my short list of stellar public holes in all of Pennsy.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2009, 01:36:45 PM »
I don't think Jerry Pate and his lead designer, Steve Dana, get anywhere near as much attention as they are due.  Most of his courses are in the non-South Florida portion of the Southeast which is the overlooked part of the country on GolfClubAtlas.

They don't incorporate many recognizable homage features in their designs, but all that I've played have solid golf holes that work and offer a lot of different options around the greens.  Bunkering is primarily flat bottoms with grass faces, good looking with easy maintenance.  There are typically more ridges through greens at various angles than defined tiers.

I have played our Pensacola CC course (profiled in the My Opinion area), Steelwood, Kiva Dunes (both Alabama), and The Preserve near Biloxi.  I've heard really good things about Limestone Springs and Old Overton in Alabama, and Old Waverly and Dancing Rabbit in Mississippi.

Ed Oden

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 01:43:31 PM »
Kris Spence.  Amazing work at Cape Fear, Sedgefield, Carolina Golf Club, Myers Park Country Club, Forsyth and Mimosa Hills.

Roger, I concur with your recommendation of Kris on the restoration/renovation front.  And that is not solely because of his work at Carolina.  What he has done elsewhere is consistently top notch.  I would encourage others to sample Kris' work if given the chance.

Ed

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 01:45:23 PM »
JMP Design (Moore, Hollinger, Costello). I've played 3 of their designs, and all are fun, memorable, and among the better public courses in their respective counties.

Callippe Preserve (Pleasanton, CA), Roddy Ranch (Antioch, CA) , The Heritage Club (Raleigh, NC).
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George Pazin

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 01:53:47 PM »
I don't think we talk nearly enough about Rod Whitman, at least not relative to the quality of his work. That's probably a reflection of where his courses are and how few on here have played them.

Have Axland and Proctor done any more independent work recently?
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 02:06:36 PM »
GCA participant (although not for a while) Scott Witter is based in Lockport, New York, nine holes east of Niagara Falls.  He has a 9-hole muni addition in North Tonawanda, NY; Arrowhead in Akron, NY; and Ironwood in Cowlesville, NY as original designs.  Scott also has done some master plans and renovation work for upstate NY clubs.  I know that he has worked a bit with Mark Fine (also a GCA guy) and wish that there were more work available, so that these fellows might have more of a stage on which to perform.  I challenge anyone to find a weak hole among any of the 45 original Witters that I mentioned.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2009, 02:22:10 PM »
This thread got me looking at the list of ASGCA members and some of theiraccomplishments. There are quite a few, like David Heatwole, that have some pretty good courses to their credit yet fill the title of this thread....

...and they are still living, which should make Mike Young happy.  ;D 
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Kyle Henderson

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 02:24:08 PM »
I don't think we talk nearly enough about Rod Whitman, at least not relative to the quality of his work. That's probably a reflection of where his courses are and how few on here have played them.

Have Axland and Proctor done any more independent work recently?

I get the same feeling sabout Michael Clayton. I hear nothing but great things about every poject he completes. Hopefully he will start building courses in the States so more of the DG will come to know and appreciate his work
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Will MacEwen

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2009, 02:30:23 PM »
I don't think we talk nearly enough about Rod Whitman, at least not relative to the quality of his work. That's probably a reflection of where his courses are and how few on here have played them.

Have Axland and Proctor done any more independent work recently?

Sagebrush blew me away.  If Cabot Links delivers, I think Whitman will be a bigger part of the discussion.

They are both remote though. 

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2009, 03:28:09 PM »
In Europe, John Chilver-Stainer, a GCA that I have worked for on several projects has produced some excellent, challenging courses often on diffcult land. His courses at Leuk, Limpachtal, Sagogn and the rebuild at Interlaken (all in Switzerland) are well worth a visit if in the area.

John Moore II

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2009, 04:06:37 PM »
I think Roy Case and Jeff Grossman do very good work. I played their course Park Ridge in West Palm Beach and I think it was as top notch a course as could have possibly been built on that landfill site. They are both members of the board here, but hardly ever post. They have also done what appears to be very top quality work on other landfill/brownfield sites. They deserve some press.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2009, 04:16:37 PM »
Matt - do you know Dan S??  I interviewed him as part of the Ault Family history piece I wrote some time ago.  He was quite a gracious interviewee and although when he left Ault/Clark we promised to keep in touch, we never did.  Hope he's doing OK in this current business climate.  JC

Matt_Ward

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 04:25:42 PM »
Jonathan:

Only spoke on the telephone when work completed with Heron Glen.

Well done county-owned layout that flies very far under the radar screen.

be curious to know too if he's still in the biz.

Shane Wright

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 04:35:13 PM »
Tom Lehman's work in the Twin Cities has been really good.  Windsong is excellent and Troy Burne is really good.

He has a couple others I haven't had a chance to see yet.

astavrides

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 05:11:33 PM »
Jonathan:

Only spoke on the telephone when work completed with Heron Glen.

Well done county-owned layout that flies very far under the radar screen.

be curious to know too if he's still in the biz.

I like his work at Mercer Oaks East and Ballamor too.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 05:37:42 PM »
This is a subject I find extremely interesting, but I am very ignorant concerning it.

My interest is piqued because of Mackenzie emerging from Colt's firm, RTJ emerging from S. Thompson's firm, Doak starting with Dye...etc.

Again...I am ignorant on the topic, but here are some names I have a limited amount of knowledge about and wondered if anyone has direct knowledge and/or some big time insider knowledge...

Paul Cowley works with DLIII, right?  Paul is a member of the site and I saw some pictures of a course he was working in Mexico (I think) it looked amazing.

Ed Seay, I have a hunch, is the man with Arnold Palmer's firm, right?  

Arthur Hills has some talent working for/with him.  I don't think the members of this site are fans of his work, but I've liked all of the Hills course I've played...The Standard Club being the one I've played the most.

Didn't Mike Devries (another site member) work with Doak and/or Dye.  ISn't Kingsley totally kick ass?  any other gems he's done?

And you guys hardly ever talk about Jack Nicklaus or Tom Fazio.  What's up with that? ;)
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2009, 08:39:49 PM »
I would be glad to put up my three less-heralded associates -- Eric Iverson, Brian Schneider, and Brian Slawnik -- head to head with anyone mentioned here.

Eric ran the job at Stone Eagle and Rock Creek, and was one of the co-designers at Common Ground.  Schneider was the main shaper at Barnbougle Dunes and finished up the Bay of Dreams.  And Slawnik ran St. Andrews Beach and Tumble Creek.  All of them kick ass.

I spent most of a week with Mike Clayton at a potential new project outside of Madrid.  If we can just keep Bill Coore away from there for a while, we might get to build 36 holes there on some beautiful, gentle land.  But I'm not letting Clayts come to the USA.

John_Conley

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A few names
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2009, 08:47:41 PM »
I don't think Jerry Pate and his lead designer, Steve Dana, get anywhere near as much attention as they are due. 

Bill, when I played Kiva Dunes a few years ago I thought the same thing.  Excellent, and it has many that are considered its equal in the Pate portfolio.

I'm going to say Mike Dasher and Jeff Brauer.  Even though both are site members, they don't get much mention.

Mark McCumber's group was fairly prolific for a while.  I don't know if they slowed down or just work less in Florida.  Some of their work is pretty good.

Ron Garl fits the bill.  Steve Smyers is a bigger name, but Garl has some solid courses.

Matt Harrison

Re: Architects doing great work today that are seldom mentioned here
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2009, 08:56:46 PM »
These 2 are fairly well-known, but not mentioned on this site much, at least to my knowledge, which admittedly is not vast!  Mike Hurdzan and Dana Fry have done some course I've played that are just pretty good, but I have seen and heard about some of the work that is very, very good.

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