Tom,
First, I promise not to write 18 paragraphs disputing your findings about Tilly at NS, though for the life of me WHY you felt that there was any possible CONFUSION over what you have posted would compel you to "edit" your "previous post?"
I do though have a couple of questions for you based upon your current post, though since you keep ignoring my questions, I hold out little answer that you will bother answering them.
You wrote, "I take it from the lack of responses that there is no evidence of Raynor or White making models..."
I'm sorry, but lack of response doesn't mean anything other than no one responded. Whether there is evidence or not of their making or using models can not be surmised from the lack of response.
You continued, "Being a civil engineer by trade I would be surprised if Raynor did make models..."
Why?
You continued, "Could this point to greater CBM involvement, at least greater involvement than what is generally thought? After all this project was pre-1917 when Raynor went out on his own."
Again, why do you say that? Can you cite specific examples of where CBM made models that he used in course designs before 1917?
You stated, "Ironically Tillinghast was known to make models at this time, and White has just come from Shawnee GC, which may explain the source for the mistaken Tilly attribution..."
Once again you show that you simply refuse to pay attention to the information presented:
From my post #294 - "You see, the history was based on several things including an oral tradition that Tilly had been to the club and signed a contract in September 1915. I knew that was impossible because that ENTIRE month Tilly spent in FLORIDA working on Davista and several other Florida designs. The last week of the month he spent driving to San Antonio where he stayed until the beginning of November. During that time he designed Brackenridge park, Fort Sam Houston and the San Antonio CC. From there he went to Oklahoma and POINTS WEST.
In other words, Tilly could NOT have been at North Shore when their oral history stated he was!"
From Mark Hissey's post #310 - "By the way, Phillip's account is accurate. I had a number of conversations with him through this process and he was incredibly helpful including the catalogue numbers of the Harmonie Club records..."
So that White was at Shawnee and saw Tilly's models was not the "source for the mistaken Tilly attribution..."
You started this post off with "I take it from the lack of responses..."
Instead of complaining, once again, about lack of responses to a question you asked, how about answering questions that have been specifically answered of you NUMEROUS times with no response? Again, for at least the 4th time:
You asked it several times and then complained when no one answered it, yet it has absolutely no bearing on the question posed as to who is the architect of North Shore. How can I say it, let me quote the same answer I've now posted several times, including the question that YOU have not answered despite having been asked several times:
"George Bahto can answer that better than I. But let me ask you, WHY DOES THAT QUESTION MATTER? According to the records of the club that Steve has produced, Seth Raynor was hired on November 5th 1914 to advise on course design issues. On January 26 1915 the club "approved plans by Raynor for a new golf course." So whether this would be his 1st, 5th or 101st golf course design doesn't matter because the INDISPUTABLE FACT remains that RAYNOR was hired by North Shore for the express job of golf course architect. So again, in case you missed it, based on that set of facts, what possible relevance does the question "What golf courses had Raynor designed by January, 1915" have?"
Look at that! 18 paragraphs and not a single one that disputes your findings on Tilly & NS!