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Andy Levett

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Seascale
« on: October 05, 2009, 05:39:23 PM »
I've been wanting to get to Seascale, a rather isolated but well-regarded links on the Cumbrian coast, for ages. I've not seen many pix so thought it worth posting a few snaps.

My knowledge of the design history is a bit vague. C&W say the original 9 was done by Willie Campbell, with a second nine added by George 'Royal Lytham' Lowe. The holes most likely to be add-ons - the furthest inland, the current 1st and 2nd, and the furthest out from the clubhouse, the current 11th and 12th, are the poorest on the course.
 
The first interesting hole is the third, with the dog-leg around an OB 'cop' reminiscent of the traditional opener at Hoylake. Against the wind it was a good hit to the end of the wall but in different conditions cutting the corner must be tempting.


Like at Hoylake, the green is right up against the OB but Seascale's version benefits from much more contour in the terrain. The bunkers in the picture below appear too far left to catch all but a bad mis-hit but in fact are only just left of the ideal line for a running approach, feeding down the slope.



Ninth is a fascinating hole, requiring a good hit along the upper fairway to set up an attempt with a long club at the green the day I played. In a different wind, you could probably make the carry to the lower fairway but you can't 'sort of' go for it, as the slope down to the lower fairway is covered with rough. A little reminiscent of 8 and 17 at Dornoch but particularly 7 at Pleasington (check their website) as both the reward of attaining the lower fairway and the risk of failing to do so are greater at the Seascale hole and its Lancastrian cousin.




Like the third, short tenth another that could almost be a late 19C template hole. Short holes with a diagonal carry over burn (2 at Prestwick, 5 at Lundin) will have been familiar to original designer so no surprise 10 at Seascale reminiscent of those.


Another diagonal carry at 13:


Strong finish starts with short par 5 14th:



Tee shot at 300 yard 15th back over 14th green:


Could be driven in right conditions but that might not be a smart play:



Super long par 4 16th, bending left around the hill:


Blind second towards red marker post behind green:

...that's where the green is:



Hill you drive over on 17th is higher and more intimidating than it appears on this picture. Another style of hole that appears popular with early designers - forced carry over huge hill. Famous examples at Prestwick, RCD, S&A, less famous at Halifax, Appleby etc.


As a reward,the approach is straighforward:


18 takes you back into town (literally if you block it):


Big green with a lot going on:



I was glad I went to Seascale and will go back again but can see why Silloth gets the bulk of what attention is devoted to Cumbrian links. The good holes at Seascale would stand up there but Silloth has strength in depth.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 05:49:21 PM »
Andy,

Looking at the backdrop to those pictures you must have felt right at home, as a Seaton Carew member!  It looks very interesting, how far from Silloth is it?

Mark
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 05:59:01 PM »
Nice pictures Andy.

It looks like an interesting old fashioned course. Are there many blind shots other than the ones in the pictures? I have no problem with blind shots; they add to the excitement!

Does the power station and landfill spoil the golfing experience? It looks like they're expanding it, are they?

Dónal.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 06:02:41 PM »
That has to be the biggest industrial complex ever seen behind a golf course.  The photos I've seen of Seaton Carew are as children next to that giant!

Sean_A

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 06:05:09 PM »
Andy

Thanks for posting.  I have long wanted to sea Seascale and the photos confirm my desire is worthy.  This looks to be a fascinating mix of natural and blatantly man made architecture.  The juxtaposition is very cool.

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Tom MacWood

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 07:03:19 PM »
I like the look of the course too, very interesting. Thank you for sharing the pictures.

Jason McNamara

Re: Seascale
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 07:13:09 PM »
Donal and Bill, the skyline used to be even more imposing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDwhay5wzc

Mark, it's 40 miles per Google, but all 3- and 4-digit roads, so they estimate 1h10.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 07:16:40 PM »
Donal and Bill, the skyline used to be even more imposing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XDwhay5wzc

Mark, it's 40 miles per Google, but all 3- and 4-digit roads, so they estimate 1h10.

Here's another you tube view, with a very good "fooking" near the end!

I guess these towers weren't historically preserved like the Sisters at Sandwich!

Emil Weber

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 01:42:34 AM »
Great pics, the course looks aweome!

The 3rd reminds me a little bit of the 11th at Saunton east

Rich Goodale

Re: Seascale
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 02:50:37 AM »
That has to be the biggest industrial complex ever seen behind a golf course.  The photos I've seen of Seaton Carew are as children next to that giant!

Bill

That's not an industrial complex, it's a nuclear power station with a checkered past (first major release of radiation from nuclear plant in 1957) which has been in the process of decomissioning for well over 20 years.  They are tearing it down, not buidling it up!

Rich

Mark Pearce

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 03:30:11 AM »
That has to be the biggest industrial complex ever seen behind a golf course.  The photos I've seen of Seaton Carew are as children next to that giant!

Bill

That's not an industrial complex, it's a nuclear power station with a checkered past (first major release of radiation from nuclear plant in 1957) which has been in the process of decomissioning for well over 20 years.  They are tearing it down, not buidling it up!

Rich
Technically, it's both a power station and a recycling plant.  With, as you say, a chequered past.  I believe it is also Cumbria's largest employer.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Rich Goodale

Re: Seascale
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 03:54:38 AM »
True, Mark

I had a nuclear physicist friend who got the job of running the decomissioning of the reactors programme sometime in the mid-early 80's.  He retired 20 years later and said that if he had been a younger man he could have kept his job until 2050 or so.  We UK citizens pay ~£1.5 billion/year for the current decommissioning activites.  Of course it is the biggest employer in the area!

Rich

Ben Stephens

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 05:34:21 AM »
Thanks Andy for putting up Seascale on GCA!. I played there many years ago with friends who had family in nearby Whitehaven. We had great fun playing the course.

Its famous neighbour is the Sellafield (formerly Windscale) Nuclear Power Station. One of the tees backed up against the power station's boundary fence and I said to my friends that in theory this could be the longest distance that a golf ball could go if the station actually exploded. I can remember it being huge behemoths! it was a great contrast between the natural and artifical landscape that makes Seascale a course to remember even though there are some cracking holes there!

Ben Stephens

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 05:40:54 AM »
Seascale Aerial Images


This images shows the course inbetween Sellafield to the North and Seascale village to the south. The scale of Sellafield is amazing knowing how much area a golf course covers!


Here is a closer view of the golf course itself - like Royal Aberdeen the more interesting holes are on the shoreline

The image just made me remember hole 9 with its split level fairway and water in front of the green!

http://www.seascalegolfclub.co.uk/

Cheers
Ben
« Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 05:45:44 AM by Ben Stephens »

Andrew Mitchell

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 06:37:44 AM »
Thanks for posting those pictures Andy.  The holes running away from Sellafield are certainly more scenic than those playing towards it!
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2009, 06:49:55 AM »
Don't know the course at all.... From those pictures, 14, 16 and 18 look like absolutely first class holes... excellent

Niall C

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2009, 02:17:11 PM »
Andy

I'm embarrassed to say that in 3 and half years of living in Cumbria I never made it to Seascale. Somehow I couldn't drag myself away from Silloth, my mistake. Great photos, thanks for sharing.

Niall

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2009, 02:46:51 PM »

Mark Pearce

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2009, 02:52:12 PM »
That fake Swilcan Burn bridge looks out of place.  Why couldn't a simple wooden deck bridge have done?

Against that part of me loves that artificial hill in the background, in the context of this course and its location.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Martin Toal

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2009, 02:42:12 AM »
A couple of those later holes remind me of late holes at Rosses Point (aka County Sligo)  Golf Club in the west of Ireland.



Sean_A

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2009, 05:29:10 AM »


...is that a bunker?

Matt

My thoughts exactly.  I like the mound kicking balls toward the water and don't understand the point of sand there.  Its such a common sight these days to have bunkers near water.  Its one of the dumbest things I know of in architecture.

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James Boon

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2009, 06:50:33 PM »
Andy,

Thanks for posting these pictures. Some interesting looking golf out there. An extra reason to head that way for golf, beyond just Silloth and possibly Windermere.

Cheers,

James

Ps I think I managed to avoid jokes about nuclear power, glowing balls and playing at night...

Doh!  ::)
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2009, 06:17:12 AM »
It's a long journey from wherever you start, but there's a lot of character to the course and you can almost always just turn up and play. I like the way it starts and finishes among the houses - another Scottish trait. There's a strange moment up by the 9th tee when you are standing next to an ancient stone circle with that mass of 20th-century science and industry as a backdrop.

Thanks for the pictures, Andy.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2010, 12:10:50 PM »
Here's a question for those GCAers who have played Seascale:  it looks interesting and fun to me but is it a suitable second course for a BUDA Cup?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Richard Muldoon

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Re: Seascale
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 04:23:39 PM »
Mark,
I would say yes as there are enough good holes there to keep the buddha's interested.
IMHO I would advise playing it before Silloth as I think Silloth is such a good course that Seascale might seem a bit of a let down if played after.
I played both this June in very F&F conditions and would love to revisit if possible. I might even get round to posting some pictures.

Richard

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