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Brent Carlson

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Rustic Canyon
« on: March 09, 2009, 12:58:15 AM »
Probably not stating anything new here, but what a fantastic course.  Played there today and came away very impressed!

The design is really good, with wide fairways and lots of strategy from the tee.  I'm also amazed at the firm and fast fairways and aprons.  Didn't know that grass could be mown that close in SoCal.  The holes are varied and the course is very walkable.  The par threes are especially strong in my book.  Easy to see why this is a favorite on the board.



Scott Weersing

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Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2009, 07:39:39 AM »

I glad that you liked the course. But you need to be more specific in your posts. Or tell a story about your round. Or share an observation from a playing partner who knows nothing about links golf. I have found that people in So Cal hate Rustic Canyon because so many of the greens slope away from the fairway instead of back to front.

Which hole was your favorite?
Which hole do you think can be improved?
What was the conditions of the greens?

(these are all questions that have been threads here at GCA)

Ross Waldorf

Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 12:31:59 PM »
Scott -- so demanding! Those of us who love the place might be a bit more gentle and ask Brent if he'd like to share any such thoughts. I, for one, would love to hear them.

Here are two specific questions, Brent, if you have any thoughts:

1. What did you think of 7? Any thoughts on what might be the best way to play it? That hole was changed very substantially from its original incarnation after the (very) nasty flood in (when was it?) 2004 or 2005. The new green is definitely one that gets all kind of comments.

2. Did you like the cross bunker on the par 3 4th? That's another change since the flood, and the only one I don't like, personally. The new bunkering left and behind the green was a very nice addition, but I think the cross bunker merely penalizes the weak player, and robs the hole of what for me used to be its biggest charm -- the pleasure of watching a wind-cheating, knock-down iron disappear into the front swale and then (we hope!) re-emerge as it rolled up onto the green. That was really great with a back left pin. Alas (such drama), you don't get to see that now. Still a really cool green, though.

Anyway -- I always enjoy hearing people's thoughts about Rustic, because it's my home course, and I completely love the place.

Chris Ord

Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 08:44:46 PM »
brent,

LOVE rustic!  was the wind up?  i played there about a week ago, and there was a gale coming down the canyon.  i'm not a very good judge of wind speed, but i'm thinking 30mph.  the par-5's going up the canyon were definite three-shotters.  but #16 was a blast with the wind behind.  tee it high and let it fly!

ross,

it's funny, i agree with you about #4, but i'm less enamored with #7 after the flood.  to me, hitting it long and right over the wash is no longer an option.  i miss the risk/reward.  although, i do very much like the rebuilt green.  probably the wildest on the course.


Brent Carlson

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Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2009, 10:17:06 PM »
Scott,

It's funny you mention people who are not knowledgeable about links golf, as some locals said that Rustic was boring and easy because it is wide open and easy.  They recommended Tierra Rejada, which I have not played, and cannot imagine is any better than Rustic.  A playing partner who was local said that Lost Canyons is a better course because it's more exciting ??? 

In my opinion that back nine is better than the front, and the holes that I enjoyed are 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

Ross - Having driven into the wash, I think the best way to play no 7 would be to lay up to the proper side of the fairway based on the flag and go from there.  I really liked the green as the hole can vary depending on the pin placement. 

I like the cross bunker on 4, as it adds a bit of quirk to the hole.  It would also be neat to see the shot run onto the green.  You are fortunate to have Rustic as your home course.

Chris - The wind was up, which I'm told is quite normal in the Canyon.  As you stated, it would be nice if 7 was more drivable.  It is also too long to carry for me. 

David Stamm

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Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2009, 12:09:00 AM »
I like the bunker on 4, as it broke up the line of play a bit.


The front and back nines are vastly different in feel, although very similiar in aesthetics. The fron t feels more cozy and intimate where as the back feels vast in scale. I think the 3rd is brilliant. The par 5's as a group are outstanding, with 5 and 13 being favorites. 6 and it's somewhat Biarritz green is so much fun and 8 is one of the best short par 3's in So Cal, IMO. The 14th from the back is just flatout awesome and 17 and 18 are a dynamite finish. If you guys like Rustic, you should also try Soule Park.


"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Ross Waldorf

Re: Rustic Canyon
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2009, 02:54:35 AM »
Chris,

Yes, the 7th green is definitely one of the wildest out there -- It's kind of a Biarritz/Double Plateau kind of deal, and really provokes a wide variety of responses. The thing to me that makes the hole interesting is that there's not a really obvious way to approach it. Lately I'm of the "drive-it-as-far-as-possible-down-the-left-side" school, as it gives me a shorter club in (assuming I'm not in that fricken ditch again).

Brent,

7 actually was very different before the flood. The drive over the wash was a more reasonable option (not so much for me unless the tee was up, but for a slightly longer hitter it was definitely very doable) because of the way the fairway was positioned. Your choices used to be to hit it about 200 down the left center, where the fairway just flat out ended and left you with a blind second (look at the course profile on this site -- it shows the original hole) to the narrow aspect of the green; or you drove it over the wash to get an unobstructed shot in to a long but somewhat skinny green. I'm not sure which version I prefer, actually. Although one of my favorite aspects of the new hole is how scary looking the tee shot is, but when you get out to the fairway it turns out to be very generous. It's a nice bit of visual trickery that works well, even when you know the hole.

I actually played Moorpark one day with someone who, when he found out how much I loved Rustic Canyon, said "I drove up there once but it looked so flat and boring from the road I just wasn't that interested." This after we'd played the 5th hole on the Ridgeline nine, which is a 600 yard par five that goes straight downhill and has a blind second shot to a landing area that's about 15 yards wide with a hill on the left with three foot high grass and a 50 foot drop-off to the right. A little flatter and more boring would really help that hole.

Tierra Rejada has a front nine with like 200 foot elevation changes on every hole that's so crazy they should turn it into a ride at Magic Mountain. But it's way better than the back nine, which is completely boring and has "containment mounding" along every hole. Yikes. And here's a cool tidbit that I believe is actually true -- Bob Cupp, who designed Tierra Rejada, was given the first chance at the Rustic Canyon site and TURNED IT DOWN. Some of us think that turned out kinda nicely.

David,

Boy, 5 is a great hole, isn't it? And I agree with you totally on 8 -- I love a really cool short par 3. I always comment to new players at Rustic that the key to 8 is not to go short or long or left or right. Any other miss is fine.

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