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David Stamm

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A question about clubs in the UK
« on: January 02, 2009, 11:30:00 AM »
How does the subscription fee work over there for a member? For example, if your annual subscription is £300, does that mean you receive unlimited play for the year, or a reduced members rate?
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 12:08:07 PM »
David- It can vary a lot traditionally you pay a one off fee for 12 months golf, there will be some 9 holers that you can still golf for £300 but probably the range is £600 - £1000 for annual golf (say 90% of clubs are in that range).
Some clubs offer a £300 per year type fee then you pay say £10 per round. This is the more modern clubs but plenty are following suite.

In many respects this is the fairest way, you pay for what you use. A high user will pay a lot more though and those people look at the economic facts and join a course with the traditional structure....which in turn means olderclubs could get blocked up with high users. Taking it to the extreme, looking at a course that had a membership of 100 people if they played every day no one else could get on the course!
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David Stamm

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 12:17:00 PM »
Thanks Adrian. I agree, if I were a high user, the traditonal annual makes more sense. I wonder if the latter model could be used here in the States, especially with the down economy. It seems this would only work however if there was a limited amount of visitor play to supplement the club.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 12:19:30 PM »
To a certain extent a version of the model that Adrian described exists here in the states for at least some public courses.

In both Spokane and here in Salt Lake City, you can buy a pass to the city courses for something like $100.  With this you get first crack at weekend tee times as well as a discounted rate when you play.

David Stamm

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 12:23:34 PM »
To a certain extent a version of the model that Adrian described exists here in the states for at least some public courses.

In both Spokane and here in Salt Lake City, you can buy a pass to the city courses for something like $100.  With this you get first crack at weekend tee times as well as a discounted rate when you play.

That's true, Kalen. I guess alot of Men's Clubs at the local muni's have this as well.
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Rich Goodale

Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 01:16:08 PM »
David

For virtually all traditional clubs, you pay your annual subscription (from ~200-1000 pounds) and unlimited golf is free after that.  Effectively no food and beverage minimums either.  Many clubs also have some sort of "Country" membership for those living 100+ miles or so away from the club which offers varying diminution of playing privileges.  A number of clubs are current trying to raise funds with all sorts of exotic overseas membership packages which vary from lump sum lifetime privileges to minimal annual fees but with strict limitations on how much you can play and when.  Getting membership for all but the very best clubs and courses is not hard these days, but you need to read the fine print to see what you are getting.  In all cases, the most important thing is getting membership at a club which is consonant with your personality and your view of the game of golf.  Being a member without any sense of camaraderie is not much better than not being a member at all.

Rich

Bill_McBride

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 01:21:02 PM »
There is a growing number of GCAers who have joined Deal (Royal Cinque Ports).  A;;arently both the "deal" and the camaraderie are good there.  Deal will feature in the 2009 Buda Cup later this year.

Out of town or country memberships are great until you make the fatal mistake of sitting down and actually calculating a cost per round.  That is to be avoided at all costs.  :o

Mark Pearce

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 04:04:11 PM »
An important thing to remember about British clubs is that they tend to have very busy competitive calendars.  I'm a member at two clubs, The Northumberland costs GBPw
1000pa, Crail costs GBP310pa at both of which I can play as often as I like and, between them I can play in a competition every weekend during the season.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Matthew Hunt

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 04:56:07 PM »
Most Irish Clubs have a joining fee that ranges from £100-£30,000. My club's is £1,000 for the 25-60 age group. We still have a 15 year waiting list :D

Michael Whitaker

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 08:18:50 PM »
The foreign membership fee at Deal is £357 for 2009 (~$520). I joined because I visit London two or three times a year and visitor fees at the "good" courses costs ~£100 per round. It doesn't take too long to make the membership pay for itself... plus, being a member of the club and making lasting friendships is priceless.

The best membership deal at a public facility in South Carolina is the one offered by Caledonia & True Blue. The membership includes both courses for an annual fee of $1800, plus a $25 per round charge. The only restriction is that you can only make a tee time 48 hours in advance. If I lived in the Pawleys Island area I would definitely sign up for that one!!!

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Gary Slatter

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 06:46:39 AM »
David, I think the basic memberships on offer in UK are similar to Canada and US although here in St Andrews we get a fantastic break.  I am a member of St.Andrews GC which dates to 1843.  The clubhouse is to the right of the 18th green on the Old Course.  The club doesn't own a course and as members all of our events are on the Links courses, including the Old, New, Jubilee, etc.  Our club membership does not include the Links Annual Fees which as a resident of the town (pay council fees) and a registered voter (easy as Commonwealth citizen) is easy to get.  The total membership fees for the year are around 265 GBP which is a steal.
The only other golf fee I pay is the 6 pounds that I lose every game (WINNERS BUY THE BEERS).   
I joined the St Andrews Club (traditional working mans club) rather than the New Club (traditional business men's club), most residents join both which means there is some sort of competition available almost every day. 
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: A question about clubs in the UK
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2009, 06:56:56 AM »
There is a demographic shift in member-owned private clubs in the UK, and the effects of the economic downturn are already being felt. Not long ago it would have been a 10-year wait to get into Wilmslow, Prestbury, Stockport etc. Now you can pretty well get straight in if you know the requisite numbers of full members to sponsor you. Usually the (non refundable) joining fee is twice the annual subscription - most of which are around £1,000 - so your first year will cost you ca £3,000. At most clubs you have to be a full member in order to vote at club meetings and very often you must be a full member to play in certain club competitions. These conditions continue to evolve as the status of lady members, for example, change. At all such clubs an important element of club income is from visiting parties, but these are generally restricted to certain weekdays and there are always slots available before and after the morning and afternoon sessions for member play. Casual visitors are welcomed but green fees are high (ca £50) for non-introduced visitors. Members' guests are usually £15 or so. Each club has its rules about how many visitors you may introduce at a time, or how many times you may introduce the same visitor.  

However, many clubs on the fringes of Manchester, for instance, are desperate for new members and have dropped joining fees. The plain fact is that these courses are on heavy soil which gets waterlogged in winter. Those who might play, say, once a month are leaving these clubs and going to new pay-and-play courses or joining a proprietory club where you pay a much lower annual sub but a modest green fee each time you go out.

In general one of the big problem areas for British members' clubs is a lack of income from catering and bar sales. Traditionally golf club food has been simple and inexpensive and available at most times of the day. It can no longer been done for that price. Drink-driving regulations have certainly cut bar takings, and, again, members expect to be able to drink at any time. But you might be paying for a bar staff of two to serve three customers all evening! Few golf clubs are now the sort of places where you drop in just for a drink. Those who drink will almost certainly have played golf before they do so. Some clubs are inconveniently located - no one would drop in for a drink on their way home from work - you have to make an effort to go there.

With the advent of the golf superstore chains and internet purchasing club professionals find it difficult to generate much income from the sale of clubs and balls. There is an unwritten club ethos at many clubs that you are expected to buy some supplies from the pro just to help keep him in business - which is a good thing as many clubs are effectively run by the pro.

Unfortunately, with the current economic climate there are going to be casualties. Let's hope that committees get their priorities right - that you shouldn't skimp on course and clubhouse maintenance even if you have to postpone the building of that pond across the 18th fairway....

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