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Lou_Duran

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2008, 03:04:41 PM »
Santa Anita would receive high marks on this site.  The green complexes provide most of the challenge.  The course has ample breadth and is relatively short on length (< 6400 yards from the back plates).  The routing is smooth for the most part, and it is easily walkable.

The bunkering is done in a rather large scale for a muni, with some having very high, built-up lips.  Though the site was relatively flat originally, it is full of undulations now, some like on #18, very pronounced

The kikuyu fairways and roughs probably eliminates much of the ground game, but the course had received some heavy rain recently and was rather soft, so maybe that grass is not as big of a factor when the grounds are dry.  The greens were in very good condition- way too good for the clientele, judging from the endless number of ball marks we tried to repair- probably running around 10'+,  and maybe 11'+ in a few cases.

The negatives are the usual for a very crowded, under-priced course in highly-populated SoCal: very slow play, no sand in the bunkers, divots all over the place, and unreparied ball marks.

But for $23 (walking), no bitching here.

The course has several short par 4s, which, for distance-challenged golfers like me, provide opportunities to think off the tee (I just hit the driver) and lay up to a comfortable distance.  For the longer, better players like John Cleary and Robert Duruntz, these and the par 5s are probably on the favorable side of the half-stroke, and they can go very low at Santa Anita.

As usual, my playing partners, Tim Leahy and John Cleary, were great to play with.  Dinner at The Derby was excellent afterwards, a fantastic end to a wonderful day.  Thanks Tom N for putting it together. 

 

Tom Naccarato

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2008, 06:19:02 PM »
Lou,
I had a great time out there with everyone and I'm glad everyone appreciated the course for what it is. Yes, packed to the hilt in this market--what the world needs now is not only love sweet love, but about 1000 more Santa Anita's..... Geoff kept on saying to me, $23.00?!?!?! It really is a cool place and yes, has a few problems, but it isn't like one can't over come it. Even that snooty, nose-lifting, golf snob, Robert Ball was impressed!

There is nothing that a chain saw and some green recovery that couldn't bring that course back into being REALLY good. At least it would have one negative and that of course would be length. There is just not a lot one can do about that.

Lou_Duran

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2008, 08:05:59 PM »
Tom N,

There is a bunch of good golf at Santa Anita.  Really, if they could change the ethos of their clientele a little bit (bend over to fix ball marks and divots, and get on with it) and put sand in the bunkers, that is all they need to do.  It is a neat place.  And for a mind blowing $23!   I look forward to getting back out there.

Mike Benham

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2008, 08:48:59 PM »
Tom N,

There is a bunch of good golf at Santa Anita.  Really, if they could change the ethos of their clientele a little bit (bend over to fix ball marks and divots, and get on with it) and put sand in the bunkers, that is all they need to do.  It is a neat place.  And for a mind blowing $23!   I look forward to getting back out there.


Maybe that is why it is $ 23 ... would it still be worth it if the ball marks were repaired, filled their divots and put sand in the bunkers, bought new rakes and doubled the price to $ 46?
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Lou_Duran

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2008, 09:35:08 PM »
At $46 with those minor improvements (no shortage of rakes, just sand) it is still a bargain.  Get the speed of play down to 4 hours and you can tack on another $10-$20.

Bob_Huntley

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2008, 09:52:44 PM »
Did anyone shoot better than 73.

Bob

Tom Naccarato

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2008, 10:09:15 PM »
Robert Duruntz shot a 67. He should have been WAY lower. I have yet to figure out Geoff's score, but I think he was like 1 or 2 over. Alex Galvin was right in there too. Robert Ball, do you know what you shot? He was also on fire.

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2009, 12:43:17 AM »
Good playing RMD!

MB, keep thy .com hotshot $46 green fee suggestions up in the mid-Peninsula, por favor ;).

TN, can you post photos of the approach and green surrounds on the 6th? My photos are awful as there was no light when I was out there, but I found it fascinating.

To anyone interested; let's grab an early morning there sometime during the week....I did this 1.5 years ago; called a week ahead of time, very early, got the 2nd time out, and finished in 3.5 hours with a group of 3 older locals.
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Tom Naccarato

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2009, 01:13:31 AM »
I didn't get any photos of the sixth that up close. I'll look and see if I have any others from before.

Jon Spaulding

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2009, 01:14:59 AM »
Do it, soon......my legal team is on your ass and will come and get you if you don't.
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Tom Naccarato

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2009, 01:23:20 AM »
Good, I'll have my people get in touch with your people--you know the deal!

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2009, 01:59:46 AM »
Glad to see everyone had a great time; Tommy only seems to schedule these events when I travel half the world away. :D

We played Santa Anita in the mid 1980's and it was without a doubt the worse conditioned course we had ever played in the Southland during that decade. I'm very glad to see it has rebounded and if they are making $96 every 7 minutes there is no reason why it shouldn't be in reasonable shape. The good news is that a few extra ball marks are easily fixable; when greens and fairways are disreguarded there's little the average golfer can do. I do remember that besides the spectacular views, the golf course had the "bones" and could once again be a wonderful place to knock your ball around.

Happy New Year to all the So. Cal. crowd!
"...one inoculated with the virus must swing a golf-club or perish."  Robert Hunter

Tom Naccarato

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2009, 02:26:00 AM »
Pete ,
You have to get up here so we have another reason to go play it again.

David Stamm

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"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Damon Groves

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2009, 02:11:01 AM »
Some info on Santa Anita. The first hole used to be where the driving range currently is. That is the only change in routing from the original 1938 design. Also, where the first hole is currently was instead of a driving range was originally a ptich and putt. The old photos show what appears six greens for that pitch and putt. Also, the par 4 17th named Desert was due to a huge waste bunker that went from tee to green and covered the entire left side of the current fairway.

I play there at least 30 times a year and if you can go on a week day and are flexible you can get a round in in four hours no problem.

As a teenager did not realize I had such a little gem but as I got more into golf and more into golf architecture I see what a great fun course it is and am very lucky to have it as my home course.

Ross Waldorf

Re: Santa Anita--Monday December 29th
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2009, 03:52:01 AM »
Hiya, everybody -- I couldn't resist saying something about Santa Anita for my first GCA post.

I'm here, by the way, because I ran into Pete Lavalle one day at Rustic Canyon, which is my home course, and he got me to admit that I was one of those dreaded lurkers. It is his contention that you guys are not all that scary. Anyway, thanks to Ran for giving me my posting papers, so to speak. And to Pete, also. We had a very nice time at Rustic. I hit a bunch of good shots (for the first nine, at least), so he is under the impression that I can sort of play.

Anyway -- Santa Anita. That's where I always used to go before Rustic got built. Just a delightful golf course, and one that I could never understand why more people didn't know about. The fun factor is definitely high. The thing that's so great about the place is that unlike the usual low key muni, you are always aware that something is going on -- approaches like to come from certain places better than others; where you are on the fairway is relevant, stuff like that. And often what can happen is that a well placed shot gets you a good view of where you're going, while a bad one will result in blindness or semi-blindness (or just a goofy stance), which is cool.

That comment by Damon is interesting about 17, because I always wondered what that name was about. Actually the finish of the course is one of the great things about it. 16 is a long, tough, generally straightaway par four with a right to left fall away green. Then you get a breather/birdie opportunity on 17, which is about 295 or 300 from the blue tee. But don't go left or you wind up with an uphill pitch over a deep bunker to a very narrow target with a steep bank over the back. But if you play to the right, you get a nice open little shot directly into the green. It's a cool little hole. Finally, 18, which is truly a wonder. It's one of those holes that tends to cause a "what the hell is this thing" type reaction from the tee, because of the crazy fairway contours. The tee shot has some cape-like, bite-off-as-much-as-you-can-chew, characteristics, but as I mentioned before, the penalty for being too aggressive is winding up with a crazy lie at the bottom of a little valley that you can't really see out of. Lots of jumping as high as you can to try to pick out some telephone pole to aim at stuff from down there.

It's a great place. And at whatever the weekday rate is these days, it almost gives the 37 bucks they charge at Rustic during the week a run for best value around. But not quite.

OK, so I'm a homer. Santa Anita's great, though -- I really should go back out there.

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