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Bob_Huntley

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2008, 12:49:58 AM »
Man, I hate these political threads, but here it goes...

I came to this country when I was 11. I love this country with every ounce of my being, for providing opportunities that I would have never have had otherwise.

And to equate that supporting Obama or Democrats means you are somehow anti-American or love this country any less is about as Anti-American statement as I can think of.

Many of the immigrants who came here (the first generation especially), were fairly successful and ambitious folks who took great risk of immigrating to a new country. In most countries, you cannot even get a Visa unless you are quite well to do to begin with. So some of the higher success of achieved by first generation immigrants is not all the surprising.

But you should also ask those who came over here with less fortunate circumstances; political exiles, war refugees, illegal immigrants. No matter how much they work (and these people work REALLY HARD), they probably will never enjoy all the freedom and life that this country can provide to those more fortunate (but perhaps the children and grand children will).

People who are in fortunate circumstances should show empathy and sympathy for those who are less fortunate, and be eager to give them a hand, especially when you can afford it. I think that is really what makes this country great.



Richard,

The beauty of the American life is brought home to me every day. My assistant is a 28 year old Vietnamese woman of incredible strength and abilities. She arrived in the USA  as a ten year  old boat child,  speaking no English but a smattering of French.  Eighteen years later she has a bachelors degree from San Jose State, a Series 7  Brokerage Licence and more computer skills that I could acquire in twenty years of application. I am in awe of her.

America is in good hands with its immigrants.


Bob

John Burzynski

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2008, 09:24:25 AM »
His 'peeps'??????

Good lord, I fear this thread is headed down the wrong track...

Anthony Gray

Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2008, 10:17:45 AM »



 Most of the people that immigrate to the US, Immigrate for one reason. TO WORK.



Richard Choi

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2008, 12:30:13 PM »

He does not dread.

He will just take some (or maybe all) of her wealth and give it to his peeps.

His friends the radicals and the leftists, who now have their chance, and who cannot believe that the economic meltdown is happening at exactly the right time for them.

Now America's wealth is their prize, and within their reach.

People in distress often make stupid decisions, and Americans are obviously in distress.

They'll be shocked at what this "change we all need" will mean for them.


Voytek, if this is how you truly feel (and not some hyperbole), then I feel sorry for you.

I am as liberal as they come and I would have absolutely no problem with McCain as the President. I think he is a good man and if he was the GOP winner in 2000 instead of Bush, this country would be in a much better shape today.

If we have learned anything over last 8 years (I hope), is that intellect matters. I believe both Obama and McCain meet that bar (Palin is another story). Even if I disagree with the details of their approach, I certainly believe that they both have the intellect and good judgement to lead this country in the right direction.

All this fear-mongering and demagoguery really needs to stop. It has no basis in fact and all it does is inflame left/right fringe and divide this nation which does not do any good for this country that you profess to love. I hope you will find it in your heart that smart and reasoned debate is always a better way to go.

Ian Andrew

Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2008, 12:47:34 PM »
I would like to know just how many of you are immigrants?

....but anyone that cannot make it in America cannot have tried very hard.

Bob,

I agree with your point.

I’m an immigrant – Canadian – but I think that the opportunities in both countries are similar.

I came to Canada from England back in 1970 with my parents. I have grown up almost my entire life in Canada and consider myself proudly Canadian. I have always thought about how lucky I am to have grown up in a country where if you are willing to work, you can become whatever you want.

I wanted to be a golf architect from the age of 12, found out what I needed to do through the ASGCA and set out to make that happen. I worked through school to pay for my own education and still always took the best experience in the summers even if the wage was very low because that would benefit me in the long run. I began with construction, went too a planning office, then a Landscape Architect, apprenticed for 18 years with another architect and finally started my own business.

I honestly don’t think there are many countries where that opportunity exists. This is one of the few places in the world where you simply pick a path and stick to it and chances are you will achieve a good portion of what you set out to do.

I play hockey still and often one of the guys will go on a rant about immigrants – each time the guys look at me and know what’s coming. I find immigrants are more likely to start businesses and take chances and make their own luck. People who never travel tend to believe rhetoric and blame others for what they fail to achieve. Coming face to face with real poverty also helps you have a better appreciation of what you have and what you take for granted.

John Keenan

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2008, 01:02:10 PM »
Richard Choi

An excellent post.

After all the trash on the Economy of Golf thread (on both sides) it is nice to read something that really catches the issue. Sure these two men have difference of opinion that is good but in the end both have the ability to govern and want the best for the US. Admittedly they see things a bit different but not I think as different as many of their supporters want them to be.

Fear and hatred have become far too much a part of the US political scene. It does sell newspapers, and get people to watch TV but it is not good for the society. Sad state of affairs. 



Ian

I fear that as the economies weaken immigrant painted as the cause of high unemployment. I work in the high technology field and without immigrants we would not have a work force. They work hard and yes are willing to take chances and in the end add much to our country. 


John Keenan

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Third Generation Italian in the US Mothers side.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2008, 01:05:08 PM »
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Bob,

I agree with your point.

I’m an immigrant – Canadian – but I think that the opportunities in both countries are similar.

I came to Canada from England back in 1970 with my parents. I have grown up almost my entire life in Canada and consider myself proudly Canadian. I have always thought about how lucky I am to have grown up in a country where if you are willing to work, you can become whatever you want.

I wanted to be a golf architect from the age of 12, found out what I needed to do through the ASGCA and set out to make that happen. I worked through school to pay for my own education and still always took the best experience in the summers even if the wage was very low because that would benefit me in the long run. I began with construction, went too a planning office, then a Landscape Architect, apprenticed for 18 years with another architect and finally started my own business.

I honestly don’t think there are many countries where that opportunity exists. This is one of the few places in the world where you simply pick a path and stick to it and chances are you will achieve a good portion of what you set out to do.

I play hockey still and often one of the guys will go on a rant about immigrants – each time the guys look at me and know what’s coming. I find immigrants are more likely to start businesses and take chances and make their own luck. People who never travel tend to believe rhetoric and blame others for what they fail to achieve. Coming face to face with real poverty also helps you have a better appreciation of what you have and what you take for granted.

My oh my Ian, are you a paid shill for the Socialist Workers Party of Canada?  ;) ::) ;D

You Canadians, with your socialist ideas on health care, 'stealing money' in every conceivable manner to pay for your egalitarian ideas of people actually thinking they are entitled to a minimum safety net of health care.  Isn't is a fact, that your federal and provicial governments steal a far higher rate of your worker and business/corporate incomes and profits than our vastly superior corporate and state tax structures.  It is all about government dictating and stealing from you Canadians, and don't you kid us now, there are no entreprenuers in Canada.  Canada is not the land of opportunity, it is a workers paradise of lazy loutish hockey addicted welfare parasites.  And, your governments totalitarian attitude on gun control is a clever rouse to give a phony facade of comparative domestic tranquility when we know that crime in your seemingly clean (but really slushy and snowy streets) is rampant!!!!  

People, don't be tricked into any words of false entreprenuership or freedom or notions of opportunity in Canada.  It is a dirty low down trick!!!

And that goes for you Brits too!  You just keep your socialist ideas and phony notions of freedom of press, and false opportunities to yourselves!!!   We know where that Marx and Engels were chuming around in that east end of yours.  You are dangerous and cunning revolutionaries with designs on bringing down our land of opportunity!  You scum you...  ::) :o ;) ;D :D

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Mike Sweeney

Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2008, 01:46:55 PM »

I am as liberal as they come and I would have absolutely no problem with McCain as the President. I think he is a good man and if he was the GOP winner in 2000 instead of Bush, this country would be in a much better shape today.

If we have learned anything over last 8 years (I hope), is that intellect matters. I believe both Obama and McCain meet that bar (Palin is another story). Even if I disagree with the details of their approach, I certainly believe that they both have the intellect and good judgement to lead this country in the right direction.

All this fear-mongering and demagoguery really needs to stop. It has no basis in fact and all it does is inflame left/right fringe and divide this nation which does not do any good for this country that you profess to love. I hope you will find it in your heart that smart and reasoned debate is always a better way to go.

Richard,

Excellent post.



Hammy,

This was the point that I was trying to make about Bill Buckley and Christopher Buckley earlier in the thread. Richard just did it much better.

Dave_Miller

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2008, 02:01:30 PM »
The Economic Experience thread has gone on for 18 pages and over 6000 views and has given us an extensive view of capitalism and socialism at work. some of the writers have been adept at placing their particular philosophy in front of us.

I would like to know just how many of you are immigrants?

I came to America in 1963 and my home country, the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland , allowed me but $7500.00 to start life in a new country, this with a wife and two young children. I had much more in the bank but that was all I could take out. The objective of allowing so little capital to exit was to stop a white exodus from the African continent.

I was fortunate that in 1960, I visited Zanzibar and at the main hotel there I met an American concert pianist. When I applied for a vias in early 1963 I mentioned this person as the only American I knew. I flew from Durban, South Africa to London on my first jet ride. Wanting to arrive in America the old fashioned way I took the Queen Mary from Southhampton and sailed into New York past the Statue of Liberty and docked in Manhattan. I was thrilled to be in a country where I knew that this was the land of begin again.

Before I left Africa I bought a Grey Hound bus ticket for 99 dollars to get me from New York to San Francisco. I had no idea what I was getting into. Fortunately, I played squash racquets with a fellow passenger on the ship who invited me to help him drive his car across country. I arrived in Los Angeles at the right time.


I must say that I am at one with Shivas and Pat Mucci, one can speak of disparity in incomes and minimum wages etc., but anyone that cannot make it in America cannot have tried very hard.

How many of you would travel with a  family and start a new life several thousand miles away with not much money and think you were doing the right thing. Believe me, many millions of non-Americans do.

There is much wrong in the USA , but there is much more that is right.

Bob

Bob:
As always you frame the debate in the proper terms.
Best
Dave

RJ_Daley

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2008, 02:37:55 PM »
Thanks for the lift Mike...  ;D

Sir Boab, I would be curious about the factor that in your decision making to emigrate from your homeland, was the tax structure of either your first stop Britain, or your journey to America in around 1960, a large consideration to be bold and make your move?  I think our taxes were something like 60+ percent then on individual income and I can't say what for corp rates least I do some googling...  ;D

I'm going to take a wild stab at a guess and say you left the homeland for "opportunity" and the freedom to make your life choices.  How did that yearning to be free to make your way, and those existing tax rates of GB and US factor?  Perhaps our eastern Euro friend and welcome immigrant, Mr. Wilczak, might give us a glimpse at those comparative tax rates he walked into then during his journey as well, and if he thought much about the tax structure he was getting into in his 'coming to America'. 

Would either of you gentlemen go back to that country which you fled for the tax rates you fled from to as they existed, when you reached these free shores? 

How oppressed by taxes did you feel after one or two years living here, or maybe even 10 years here?  Do you ever wish to go elsewhere now if they might raise your taxes that you might qualify for the Obama scheme income threshold to "take" more of your money?  What if they raised you gents some 3%?  5%?  10%?  Is that it, are you pulling up stakes and finding a better tax haven someplace else in the world.  Will it truly disgust you to see all folks in this country perhaps have an equal chance at receiving health care.

What would be the deal breaker for you gentlemen to cause you to flee these shores?
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Anthony Gray

Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2008, 02:45:36 PM »

Lou_Duran

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »
Sir Huntley,

You do have company on this site.

I am the last of three generations of Spaniards in my family who left the homeland for political and economic reasons.  This was not done casually or due to a lack of love for "nuestra tierra" (our land).

My father's three maternal uncles left the province of Galicia following Spain’s civil war and the economic devastation and political repression that ensued.  They settled in Cuba and, starting from scratch, built a very successful furniture manufacturing business.  My father and grandmother followed later and he went to work for them as a laborer.  Here he developed his skills and eventually started his own company in the same industry.

My father too did well and on one of his prolonged trips back to Spain he met and married my mother.  I was born in Havana three months after my mother left her family and moved to Cuba.  Unfortunately, my father died of a massive heart attack when I was three years old, and my traditionally reared mother was thrust into having to settle my father's business affairs and provide for our keep.

Move forward a few years to 1959, my mother had converted my father’s relatively modest interests into real estate, and while running a small retail store, we were well on our way to realizing the equivalent of the American dream.  Of course, Fidel and history intervened, tenants stopped paying rents, business slowed to a crawl, people had no money to buy the few consumer goods that still flowed into the island, and all semblances of personal and property rights and civil order went out of the window.

I was very fortunate.  My mother had the foresight to recognize that Fidel was a communist the first time she heard him speak.  She had heard the communists back in her country and knew what followed if they gained power.  Unable to gain a visa to the U.S. because she was a Spanish citizen and the U.S. Cuban Refugee Act was specific to Cubans, my unselfish mother did what relatively few are willing to do: full of hope and unfathomable sadness, she put me on a Pan American plane bound for Miami.

I am one of the beneficiaries of Operation Pedro Pan organized and operated by Catholic Charities.  I lived near Miami in a crowded camp for a couple of months while awaiting placement with a foster family.  The first opportunity that came along was in Ohio and I took it.  My mother followed some three years later after being allowed by the Cubans to return to Spain, and then going through the normal immigration process there to come to the U.S.

One of the most vivid memories I have of Cuba was of the night before my departure when the police came to our house and ransacked it.  Looking for gold, silver, and anything of value, they stole the few pieces of jewelry my mother owned, harassed us and left the place in a mess.  The next morning at the airport, the police confiscated the only item of value I had left in this world, my father’s Omega watch that was passed on to me after he died.  I stepped on the plane with a couple of changes of clothes and no money in my pocket.

My mother came to the U.S. with little money, limited language skills, and no professional credentials that were recognized here.  We are familiar with hardship, prejudice, and indifference.  She worked in factories when women were not accepted, the first to get laid off and last to get the less physically demanding assignments.

Somehow we muddled through.  I had several jobs throughout my high school years and we did not want for the essentials.  I was able to get a moderately adequate education, paying for it largely by working 50+ hours weekly in a factory during the summers and tending bar during the school year.

Though my mother has had a hard life, I am sure she would say that the hope and confidence she had on the day she put me on that plane have been more than realized.  She is unashamedly pro-America, a firm believer that flaws, warts, and all, it is still by far the best place to live in this world.

In comparison, I have had things much easier.  And while I tend to sometimes engage in a bit of self-pity with a glass is half-empty mentality, I only have to look around to see the great promise and opportunity of this wonderfully generous country.

My wife works with a woman who as a child escaped Viet Nam in a rickety boat.  Her father never got on, killed just before he could join the family.  As a pre-adolescent on the boat leading them to freedom, she witnessed people murdered and raped by pirates preying on what little of value they had.  She finally made it to the U.S., worked in the garment sweatshops of Los Angeles, earned degrees in engineering and law, and today is a highly respected telecommunications attorney.

As if proof that life can be terribly unfair is needed, about a year ago she was diagnosed with an advanced state of cancer.  I had the privilege of transporting her to a few of her treatments, and terribly ill from extensive chemotherapy and radiation, she once responded to my question of how she was doing with the old adage that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

Hers is the indomitable spirit that once prevailed in this country and one that I fear we are losing.  Phil Gramm was pilloried for his comment that we are becoming a nation of whiners.  President Kennedy asked about what we could do for our country.  In comparison, Senators Obama, Biden, and Clinton campaigned primarily on what government must do for their special interest groups.

When my mother hears Obama and many of the Dems engage in class warfare and make the case for “spreading the wealth” via a large, powerful government she is reminded of Fidel and any number of European fascists she heard growing up.  I have a similar visceral reaction.  I pray that we are both blatantly wrong.             

John Mayhugh

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2008, 03:16:35 PM »
Lou,
Thanks for sharing your personal story.  Fascinating to read what this American ideal has meant to so many people.

I'll be thinking of you, Bob, and so many others while watching the World Series & 7th inning stretch tonight.  God Bless America indeed.

Steve Okula

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2008, 03:32:52 PM »
I have met thousands of people in France, Spain, Australia, the British Isles and elsewhere who are content with their lives and would never consider moving to America.

Some of them don't even care for a visit.

Go figure.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2008, 03:59:31 PM »
Lou, that is a remarkable story, or stories considering the Vietnamese lady.  It explains much about your POV.  Having known you a while, this is a much more detailed look at your roots than I'd heard before.

In 1959, when the writing was on the wall for your Mother to see what was coming, I ask the same question, did she consider the tax burden imposed at that time on Americans.   Of course not!  Freedom, safety from repression, a civil order with constitutional protections for every citizen is what was sought for you by her, and eventually she followed.  That was a brave and bold initiative that your Mom took to save you by placing you on the flight to freedom. 

But, just a question of perspective as to who was fleeing.  Included in those wise and honest hard working and entreprenuerial people that were lucky enough to get out, there was a contingent of not so savory people propped up by the Batista regime taking flight.  Batista's Cuba was not the most free land to live in either.  Opposition was crushed in as crude and violent of manner under Batista in what is termed 'his gangsterism', as somewhat comparable to the totalitarian violence of the Castro regime.  But, I take your point that property was not confiscated under Batista (at least not on a total scale as under the commies of the Castro regime).  But, I wonder what kind of Cuba would have emerged under the way it was going?  Would it look something like Lanskey's dream, a unregulated by gangster oligarcy,  Las Vegas like tourists paradise where you can buy 'anything'? 

I take all your points Lou.  I admire you and your experience and tenancity.  But, I must question things like whose 'class warfare' you speak of.  Am I not in that part of America that may be identified as a "real" American due to my differing views. What sort of separation of classes is that?  You know full well, as I have been sarcastically chiding, we are not headed for real socialism under Obama.  Just because they have a philosophy of a different break down in how the progressive taxation works, is not a determinant that real socialism would be imposed.  Thee are all varying degrees of such, including these bailouts...

As for Spain that has emerged today... I read some things that indicate it may be a place to flee back to!   ;D   You know me, I'd probably go just for the cuisine and H.C., and overlook the tax structure if it were worse than here, if I could otherwise be free from political persecution.   ::) ;D 
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Sean_A

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2008, 04:14:04 PM »
I play hockey still and often one of the guys will go on a rant about immigrants – each time the guys look at me and know what’s coming. I find immigrants are more likely to start businesses and take chances and make their own luck. People who never travel tend to believe rhetoric and blame others for what they fail to achieve. Coming face to face with real poverty also helps you have a better appreciation of what you have and what you take for granted.

Ian

Very funny.  I am often in the same boat as you.  Folks don't consider me an immigrant and make blanket comments all the time about how immigration is killing the country.  They obviously forgot, that one, I am immigrant and two, like in the US, immigration is largely responsible for building the UK and that a certain percentage of immigrants always has been and for the foreseeable future will be good for the country.  IMO, anti-immigration talk is at least to some degree a racism issue.  I cringe when I hear jokes about Pakistanis.  I also can't understand it.  As a people, they are hard working and want their children to so well.  Of course, many Brits fall back on the notion that they separate themselves from "white Britain" (though nobody frames it that way) by continuing old customs/language/religion.  What is really amazing is the immigration is blamed for so much when its effect can only be at the very most a tip of the iceburg of problems.  We can thank some over zealous Tories for this completely ott reaction.  Thankfully, there has been little talk of immigration this past few years because the fear of eastern European migration to our shores never materialized.  Talk about scare mongering.  Many Brits lash the US for their racism, but we still have a ways to go ourselves.  Instead we have hard working folks who want to go back home as soon as it is practical.  Sounds to me this how the entire grand (probably the most innovative political/social product of the 20th century) idea of the EU is meant to work.

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George Pazin

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2008, 04:16:20 PM »
Richard, you're a smart guy, steadfast in your beliefs (which I admire), so I don't expect to have any influence on you.

Still, I hope someday you reflect on the many implicit assumptions in your beliefs.
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RJ_Daley

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« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2008, 04:34:15 PM »
George, at the end of the day, we all must reflect... can there be any reflection in darkness?  ;) ::) ;D
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George Pazin

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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2008, 04:59:54 PM »
 :)

Wish I could come up with a witty retort.
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Lou_Duran

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2008, 05:01:32 PM »
Steve,

You must be one social guy to have met "thousands" of people who shared with you their contentment with their situation.  It is a very good thing that people are happy where they are.  As you probably know, we have enough challenges with the current immigration situation, and it ain't because people want to leave our shores.

By the way, did you meet my cousins in northern Spain?  None of them took me up on my invitation to visit being contemptous of Americans and our way of life long before "W" ever contemplated getting into politics.  Fortunately, their dad- my uncle- worked his butt off all his life to provide them an enviable lifestyle without having to do much on their own.  It hurts me to say that they are rather miserable, envious people such that my uncle confided in me before he died that he regretted how he brought them up.

Dick,

I had related "my story" a few years ago on the site in one of those posts that got deleted.  It is nothing that I've hidden.

Taxes had nothing to do in my mother's decision to send me.  Getting me out of the hellhole that Cuba was quickly becoming into a country she had always greatly admired was paramount.

Batista was a corrupt, murderous bastard, but, for the most part, he did not bother you if you did not bother him.  Cuba was a magnet for people who wanted to make a better life provided that they were not politically motivated.  Contrary to popular opinion, the Cuban revolution was not the campesinos rising to overthrow their corrupt capitalist oppressors.  It was the well-to-do and middle class intelligentsia along with foreign adventurers who took to the mountains.  Even the CIA provided early support.

Of course it is impossible to project with any precision where Cuba would be today had Castro not succeeded.  As a rule, dictatorships whether of the right or the left are unstable.  Unfortunately for Batista, he did not enjoy the U.S. support that Fidel received from the Soviets.  As suggested from the increasing wealth in the country prior to 1959 and the unprecedented achievements of the first several hundred thousand immigrants to Miami, I can say without equivocation that Cuba would be a far better, happier place had Castro failed.

Dick, socialism is an easy religion.  Do I think that Obama is a socialist?  Absolutely.  I think that he believes he is an extraordinarily smart and good man, and that he and his cohorts can formulate superior plans and make better decisions for us than we can for ourselves.  Of course, I disagree vehemently.

Is Obama as narcissistic and psychologically damaged as Fidel? I don't think so.  For example, I don't fear that he will pull me from my bed and have me executed for not agreeing with him.  Castro's minions did this with regularity and gusto.  On the other hand, I have no doubt that he will move to thwart contrary views by seeking to reintroduce the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" and minimize his opponents with accusations of racism.  I know that if resist paying his higher taxes that I will be thrown in jail.

I shake my head when I read on this site that what has gone wrong is unbridled capitalism and the result of deregulation.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  We've been on a slippery slope toward socialism since 1932, with only brief, minimal respites.  Anyone who believes that Bush is a hard-core conservative Republican is incredibly misinformed.  At best, we have a very mixed economy with so much noise that it never ceases to amaze me just how well it does perform.  I do believe we are near the tipping point and we are likely to test it very soon.

As to Spain, you may wish to do some research before putting your eggs in that basket.  The reports I hear are hardly sanguine.  The food is certainly not comparable with that of Italy and France, though the the wine is quite acceptable for someone like me who has a rather unsophisticated palate.

     


   

Tony Petersen

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2008, 05:29:01 PM »
Steve,

Is Obama as narcissistic and psychologically damaged as Fidel? I don't think so.  For example, I don't fear that he will pull me from my bed and have me executed for not agreeing with him.  Castro's minions did this with regularity and gusto.  On the other hand, I have no doubt that he will move to thwart contrary views by seeking to reintroduce the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" and minimize his opponents with accusations of racism.  I know that if resist paying his higher taxes that I will be thrown in jail.


C'mon, this is getting ridiculous... Comparing Obama to Fidel is like equating Reagan with Hitler... I joined GCA to talk about golf. Not politics & religion. 'Nuff said!
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Sean_A

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« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2008, 06:17:30 PM »
As to Spain, you may wish to do some research before putting your eggs in that basket.  The reports I hear are hardly sanguine.  The food is certainly not comparable with that of Italy and France, though the the wine is quite acceptable for someone like me who has a rather unsophisticated palate.

Lou

Finally, we are getting somewhere!

I am not a big fan of Spanish food except for some of the tapas type stuff, but there can be no doubt there are some great Spanish wines.  I probably consume more Spanish wine than from any other country.  Although Rioja grabs the attention and there are many very, very good riojas, a decent Priorat is as good a wine as I can hope to drink.  Unfortunately, the Spanish know its a high quality beverage and charge accordingly.

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Richard Choi

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« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2008, 06:34:34 PM »
Lou, you are so very very wrong...

... if you are saying Spanish food does not compare to Italian or French.

Spain is the center of the world right now when it comes to food.

The hottest restaurant trend in US is Spanish Cuisine and El Bulli is considered the best restaurant in the world right now and Ferran Adrià is a God among foodies. You think we worship Tom Doak around here, you should see how they speak of Ferran on foodie boards.

http://www.theworlds50best.com/restaurants/restaurant_01.html
« Last Edit: October 29, 2008, 06:40:25 PM by Richard Choi »

Lou_Duran

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« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2008, 06:37:14 PM »
Tony,

By all means please ignore the political posts and share with us your insights on golf architecture.

But at least please pay me the courtesy of reproducing the full quote for proper context.  If you had, you and any other reader that came behind you would know that what you quoted was not addressed to Steve, that it was in response to a specific question asked by Dick Daley, and that I was certainly not equating Obama to Fidel.

Sean,

I haven't been to Spain for some 14 years when the table wines at times were cheaper than bottled water.  It doesn't surprise me that prices have gone up with higher acclaim and demand.

BTW, I would put Spanish courses in the same class as their food.  I do like a good paella, jamoncito gallego, and a spanish omlette, and also enjoyed playing the Old Course at Sotogrande and Las Brisas, but they're mid fare at best.  I suspect you agree as well.

Bill_McBride

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Re: An Immigrant Experience....
« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2008, 06:37:48 PM »
As to Spain, you may wish to do some research before putting your eggs in that basket.  The reports I hear are hardly sanguine.  The food is certainly not comparable with that of Italy and France, though the the wine is quite acceptable for someone like me who has a rather unsophisticated palate.

Lou

Finally, we are getting somewhere!

I am not a big fan of Spanish food except for some of the tapas type stuff, but there can be no doubt there are some great Spanish wines.  I probably consume more Spanish wine than from any other country.  Although Rioja grabs the attention and there are many very, very good riojas, a decent Priorat is as good a wine as I can hope to drink.  Unfortunately, the Spanish know its a high quality beverage and charge accordingly.

Ciao   

A few years ago my wife and I were in Italy, enjoying a few days in a tiny Cinque Terre village, when we met an American girl who said she had just left Spain and didn't like the food.  "All they ate was ham and eggs!"

Surely there is more than ham and eggs.

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