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TEPaul

Re: Hole Sequencing
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 10:34:50 PM »
John Kirk:

I can see when you present the question of "hole sequencing" you're basically casting the subject in the context of "balance."

But one of the things I find really fascinating with some courses is---if there's an opportunity to start at least three and maybe four holes right around the clubhouse you then have an opportunity to sequence up to three or four courses within the course. Shinnecock is this way and so is Lancaster. I realize there are a ton of courses like this but it does give the club the opportunity to play the course in various sequences.

I recommend that Shinnecock should actually try this simply by printing up another card sequence just for variety. We call it the "Merion" sequence because the two par 5s come so early. It's interesting that the way Flynn originally designed Shinnecock it was as three nines with #14 being the start of one of the nines.

The Shinnecock "Merion" sequence would be;

Front nine: 14, 15, 16, 17, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Back nine: 1, 2, 3, 4, 18, 10, 11, 12, 13

Or for the same price of eggs you could play it that way but just flip the front and back nines. In all iterations you start at the clubhouse and finish nine holes at the clubhouse. The interesting and really cool thing about it is also all the green to tee commutes are still pretty tight or as tight as the course is in its usual sequence!  ;)
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 10:38:20 PM by TEPaul »

John Kirk

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Re: Hole Sequencing
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 11:16:58 PM »
Thanks for everyone's replies so far.  I have no purpose, other than my desire to hear what everyone thinks about hole sequences.  As I said before, my sense is most sequences works, with the exception of a few combinations that cause bottlenecks.  As it was pointed out, a unique sequence has additional value.

It's much more important to tailor the routing to the land, and let the sequencing fall into place naturally.

Matt Varney

Re: Hole Sequencing
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2008, 11:40:26 PM »
I personally have never liked a golf course that starts or ends a front or back nine with a Par 3.  From the courses I have played and like the best based on hole routing flow was -

Medium Length Par 4
Short to Medium Par 4
Medium Length Par 3
Reachable Par 5

or

Reachable Par 5
Medium Length Par 4
Short to Medium Length Par 4
Medium Length Par 3

I feel that courses should open on the 1st hole as a good test allowing for a mishit shot and recovery but, as the round progresses the course should close strong.  I have never been a fan of a Par 3 for the 17th hole let golfers hit the driver off the tee on the last 3-4 holes and let well hit approach shots and good putting determine a match at the end of the round.

Matt

Kalen Braley

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Re: Hole Sequencing
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 03:09:14 PM »
  My home course opens with a par 5 that is reachable by most captians in the weekend low-ball. At times it can be 30 minutes before the next group can tee. MOLASSES!!!!


One of my favs in Spokane Indian Canyon starts with back to back reachable par 5's.  While it picked up after the 2nd hole, you were lucky to play the first two holes in under 40 minutes on a normal weekend.  They eventually switched the 9's and pace of play has noticeably improved.

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