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Jonathan Cummings

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Aces Galore
« on: August 27, 2008, 09:31:51 AM »
How odd is this?  I have been in a group with hole-in-ones 3 times in the last 4 weeks.  (Twice at Fountainhead [same hole] and once at Ballyneal [3rd]).  BTW - all three came from playing partners, not from me.

JC

Ian_L

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 10:16:22 AM »
Goodness, how many rounds?

Craig Disher

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2008, 10:28:01 AM »
How odd is this?  I have been in a group with hole-in-ones 3 times in the last 4 weeks.  (Twice at Fountainhead [same hole] and once at Ballyneal [3rd]).  BTW - all three came from playing partners, not from me.

JC

JC - Care to come to our next member-guest?  ;)

Jeff_Stettner

Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2008, 10:33:40 AM »
In 18 years of golf I have only seen 3 aces (including my only one). All were in the same week.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2008, 10:45:12 AM »
JC - 33 years playing and no aces, fancy a game??
Cave Nil Vino

Joe Bausch

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 11:16:37 AM »
One of my best golfing buds was in Canada last month playing golf in an outing with his brother-in-law, which I've played with a few times and he is lucky to break 90.  Well, on a par 3 over water, 185 yards with a $25,000 Pontiac as a prize, and some of his buddies both in the group in front and behind stopping to watch, yep, you guessed it, he pops a 5 wood in the hole.

And along different lines:  a couple of months ago I played at Cobb's Creek with fellow GCAer Mike Huber.  The play got a bit congested so we joined up with the two-some ahead of us.  Their names:  Mike and Mike.
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Steve Wilson

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 11:30:15 AM »
Sometime in the mid 90s I was playing at the Pit and was melded into a foursome with three North Carolinians who had been to Scotland in September.  One of the guys, probably in his mid 50s, could really play some golf.  One of his friends told me the guy had been without a hole in one despite playing very well for 35 years.  On his first day in Scotland he aced the Eden at the Old Course and then on the last day of the trip he had another hole-in-one at Prestwick.  Sometimes they run in herds.
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Brad Tufts

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 11:38:38 AM »
My dad won a car in 2003 at a charity tourney he was hosting at Tedesco.  Ironically enough, his playing partners were me, my brother, and his best friend from HS, and the people doing the "split the pot" contest on the hole were my mom and my grandfather.

The car was a Mitsubishi Lancer, but he went for the cash, about $8500.

I made him reapply for amateur status with the USGA (funny for a 10 h'cap) just so he could play with me in the MGA father-son a year later.

If only I could've made my 10 footer for birdie...we would have gone 1-2-3-4.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Richard Choi

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 11:52:14 AM »
My back of the napkin calculation says the chances of seeing a hole-in-one in three rounds in a row is about 4 billion to 1. If we are not talking about consecutive rounds, you can knock off a 0 or two.

Either way, it would be an EXTREMELY rare event.

Sean Leary

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 12:27:14 PM »
My back of the napkin calculation says the chances of seeing a hole-in-one in three rounds in a row is about 4 billion to 1. If we are not talking about consecutive rounds, you can knock off a 0 or two.

Either way, it would be an EXTREMELY rare event.

Richard,

It's slightly better than that when using a brush tee.

Sorry couldn't resist. ;)

John_Conley

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 12:32:06 PM »
Sometimes they run in herds.

There was a lady in Southern California that had something like 40 in 10 months last year.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 03:56:49 PM »
Hey JC, can you pick me up a lottery ticket the next time you gas up?  :o
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2008, 09:00:24 AM »
Ian - the 3 aces over the past 4 weeks came from 10 rounds of golf.

In 25 years (about 2000 rounds of golf) I have had 8 aces in my playing group - 3 were mine.

My best friend is 74.  He grew up playing Augusta, Shoreacres and Pine Valley (of which he is still a member).  He is an excellent player, plays in amateur events and currently holds a handicap index of 4.7.  His handicap has been as low as 2.  Over 50 years of playing golf, until he was 69 years old, he never had an ace.  Over the past 5 years he has had 5, the last two days ago at Ballyneal.  Those chances seem pretty remote to me too.

JC

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 10:07:41 AM »
JC - Canx that offer of a game....please pass the offer to your best mate!!
Cave Nil Vino

Richard Choi

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 12:06:37 PM »
Jonathan,

The probability of having 3 aces in a group of 4 over 10 rounds is about 1 in 3.5 million. Which means that about 10 people in this country experience this in any given year.

Pretty cool

Larry_Keltto

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 01:56:19 PM »

There was a lady in Southern California that had something like 40 in 10 months last year.



IMO, Dave Kindred succeeded in debunking the woman's claim in this article:

http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2007/11/gd0711kindred_gagne

TX Golf

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 03:30:39 PM »
Great article.... That lady has some serious issues. Its obvious it is a complete sham. Seventeen... wait sixteen holes in one without anyone actually seeing the ball go in the hole... My ass.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 10:04:55 PM »
JC, Enough about odds. Tell us about the shot, the day, the roar?

#3 is not an easy two let alone 1. How did this happen?
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Brad Klein

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 11:32:03 PM »
40 years in golf I had never seen an ace; then I made two in the last 14 months (Caves Valley last May; Valhalla this June).

Two weeks ago my publisher at Golfweek, Terry Olson, was playing at Chambers Bay. On the 15th hole, first guy up hits it 10 feet; second guy aces it; third guy up (Terry) aces it on top of him. Fourth guy up never had a chance; he hit it in the front bunker.

Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 11:57:44 PM »
Hey - this is getting cosmic freaky!  Today at Ravenna outside of Denver I was in a group of 16 players.  One guy in the group of 16 (I was the 4-some behind him) had a hole-in-one.

We control the vertical, we control the horizontal......

JC

Mike Hendren

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2008, 12:29:42 AM »
My back of the napkin calculation says the chances of seeing a hole-in-one in three rounds in a row is about 4 billion to 1. If we are not talking about consecutive rounds, you can knock off a 0 or two.

Either way, it would be an EXTREMELY rare event.

Richard, you are extremely lucky that neither Kavanaugh nor I saw this post before you were granted Hillbilly Tour membership.  Back of a napkin?

Bogey
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Richard Choi

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2008, 12:40:34 AM »

Richard, you are extremely lucky that neither Kavanaugh nor I saw this post before you were granted Hillbilly Tour membership.  Back of a napkin?

Bogey

Downloading Jethro & Homer as we speak...

Jim Nugent

Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2008, 01:24:54 AM »
Jonathan,

The probability of having 3 aces in a group of 4 over 10 rounds is about 1 in 3.5 million. Which means that about 10 people in this country experience this in any given year.

Pretty cool

Does it really mean that?  I'd like to understand how they figure the odds of making a hole in one.  If it's just an arithmetic average, based on amount of golf played and number of holes in one, I'm not sure you are right. 

Richard Choi

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Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2008, 02:07:17 AM »
I used 1 in 12000 odds for calculating my numbers, which is based on following excerpt:

"But as close to an official source as exists on this topic is Golf Digest. That publication has provided "acer odds" since the 1950s, and in the year 2000 hired Francis Scheid, Ph.D., the retired chairman of the math department at Boston University, to calculate the odds using the latest and best information available.

The odds Scheid came up with were lower than any others cited above: 5,000 to 1 for a "low-handicapper," 12,000 to 1 for an "average player." If you are a low-handicapper and play 1,000 rounds in your life, according to Scheid, you have a 20-percent chance of recording an ace. If you play 5,000 rounds, your odds are 1:1."

Gerry B

Re: Aces Galore
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2008, 09:19:41 PM »
one of my golf buddies recently had one for the ages

southern highlands in vegas - they were playing as a threesome - one of the guys aced the 2nd hole and my friend aced the 8th hole in the same round

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