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Lou Duran

Re: Very Good Courses...But With An Interruption..
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2002, 11:13:39 AM »
Patrick,

No one suggested a walk from the clubhouse to the first tee (the original thread stated "hike or cart ride"), though I think that Mike Cirba did make this walk AFTER recuperating from a brief heat induced illness.

As was noted, the clubhouse and cottages are ideally placed along a wooded canyon with the Dismal River (no more than 10 yards wide in that area, but with running water) flowing through it.  No other trees are seen anywhere around the property.  Gas carts are available at all times, and they have lights on them for transportation to the cottages after dark (though these are close by).

The mile+ distance of the course from most of the improvements further accentuates its remoteness.  One of the many charms of the place is its informality and total customer orientation.  I got up at 5:30 on the day I was leaving, two hours before the group was to meet for breakfast, so I decided to go out and take some pictures.  Rather than disrupt the natural sounds of this beautiful setting so early in the morning, I walked toward the clubhouse where some of the staff were just arriving.  The cook invited me into the kitchen and showed me where the coffee and the cups were.

Armed with my 16+ oz. cup of black coffee, I walked to the clubstorage area (around 6:00 a.m.) and asked the lovely young lady there if I could take a cart to the course and take some photos.  She said by all means, and if I wanted to take my clubs with me and play some holes before breakfast, that she would load them up.  I probably could have played 9 holes before meeting the guys, but settled instead for an hour+ of picture taking over one of the most unique and beautiful courses that I have ever seen.  

As people who know me will tell you, a more devout walker/cart-averse golfer than me may not exist.  But the mile+ to the first tee at Sand Hills works just fine for me.  The ride just builds the anticipation, and the simplicity and unpretentiousness of Ben's Porch fits the property perfectly.  Drinking a few beers and devouring freshly grilled burgers and dogs while taking in all the panorama is about as good as it gets.  However, it does put one in a quandry.  On one hand you are feeling so content and relaxed just sitting there taking everything in.  On the other, the course and your friends are beckoning for the second 18 or the third emergency 9.  What to do, what to do.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Very Good Courses...But With An Interruption..
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2002, 11:26:57 AM »
Ok...I'll come clean, if simply to prove what a walkable, wonderful place it is.   ;)

The first day, in 95 degree heat and little of the normal wind, I evidently wasn't drinking enough fluids (no sweating in the dry heat) and got very lightheaded walking up the 10th on our 28th hole of the day.  Dick Daley rescued me in a cart and drove me back to the clubhouse.

After rehydrating, and a cold shower, I was sitting around the room and it was just KILLING me to not be back out there, even just to watch the sunset over the dunes in enjoyable company.  

The wind had picked up a bit and I was feeling fine, so in an effort to test my "sea legs", I started strolling along.  Taking in the sights, in no time at all I was so invigorated that I joined our group on Ben's porch, feeling none the worse for wear.

The next day, walking 36 was no problem either, water bottle at my side.  
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ted janeczek

Re: Very Good Courses...But With An Interruption..
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2002, 12:27:12 PM »
geoff: i take it you enjoyed your trip to sand hills. patrick: for environmental reasons they need to pump the sewage from the cabins to a holding tank and then remove it.  the cabin ( and therefore clubhouse) site was chosen to take advantage of gravity, as the cabins hang on cliffs overlooking the mighty dismal river,the only water for miles , except for all of the water underground, as  sand hills sits atop one huge aquifer.
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ted janeczek

Re: Very Good Courses...But With An Interruption..
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2002, 12:51:41 PM »
mike cirba: militia hill is worth seeing. the property is compromised by a railroad line that runs through it and therefore affects the routing. but, there are some really good holes on the front nine. the par 5's are mostly very good except for one on the back nine. the par 3's are not much more than transportation holes.  i felt that the sizing of some holes on the back9 with respect to carries was awkward. all in all, makes for a pretty good 36 hole facility . wish we had one here in hershey like that.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Very Good Courses...But With An Interruption..
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2002, 04:45:41 PM »
Here we go again with the "push me, pull me" discussion on whether a good architect ought to find the best holes regardless of how far apart they are, or live with some kinky stuff to make the golf course flow as a concentric unit and not a collection of individual design exhibits.

The cart ride between #5&6 at Plantation bothers me, but not when weighed against the alternative. Wente in Livermore had a similar problem with the front nine, but they simply ran out of land and had to segment the nines between a hill that nearly requires petons to scale.

So, you need a ride to the first tee and again at the turn. Besides that, its a delightful stroll.

I think the key is to avoid a long hoof more than once. The bridge at Oakmond doesn't bother me - even though it is over an ugly and noisy highway (do they call them "beltways" back there?) because the walk is not too long.

A better question might be to ascertain a good rule of thumb establishing a maximum distance between holes (assuming flat ground). At some point, it becomes distracting and breaks the rhythm of the round.

I HATED the backtrack at Rustic Canyon, but Neal reminded me that when the trees grow up, it will be a pleasant stroll through the shade and not a dusty trudge in the hot sun.

I thought to pace off the distance yesterday between the 15th and 16th at Cypress Point, but it would have ruined the moment. Some walks defy all the rules . . . . a modern guy would have cut all the cypress and pine trees so that you could see the ocean all the way from the 15th green.

Uphill walks to the next tee are to be avoided unless there is an immediate payoff at the top. . . . . and it ought to be a good one. The climb up the hill after #15 at Eagle Point is worth the sweat. There are three climbs at Coyote Moon that are silly backtracks up a steep grade to an unnatural terrace tee just for the "wow" factor and a downhill tee shot.

The trouble is that I saw a perfectly good tee box positions a short walk from the previous green that would have worked fine.

You have to weigh whether it is worth it to route a course like that.

Why?

Because only players in really fine shape are going to walk a course with some steep climbs and distances between holes. I believe it is absolutely impossible to fully comprehend the architectural intent and all the little subtle features when zipping along on the fringe of the fairway in a damned buggy!

I've said it before, if you wouldn't comtemplate the composition of a painting standing off at the side, why would you do it with a golf hole? Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Now, maybe I'm speaking as a rater, because there is an awfully fine line between a really good course and a Top 100 candidate. If a track requires a cart, soooooo much goes unnoticed.    

Plus, how the heck can you conjure up a number for the "Walk in the Park Test" when you spent the day bouncing along on bad pavement, paying more attention to dodging a  crash into the beverage cart than trying to understand  the bunkering scheme?

Now, everything has its limits, too. Sometimes a quirky hole that gets from one point another can come out great. Scotland and Ireland are full of them. . . . . and sometimes it comes out like #14 at Cuscowilla.
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