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Kalen Braley

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Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« on: July 18, 2008, 05:22:00 PM »
Jack wieghs in on The Open and the state of PGA tour players....again.

Agree or disagree..

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/britishopen08/news/story?id=3495073
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 05:31:48 PM by Kalen Braley »

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 08:59:36 PM »
Jack has become a curmudgeon, but what he says has some merit.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 09:17:08 PM »
Maybe Jack and his press agent need to understand that Google works really well!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/britishopen08/news/story?id=3495073

Asked when he felt financially secure, Nicklaus said he never worried about money and never played any golf tournament strictly for money except for the occasional Skins Game.

"I always took the attitude that the harder I worked at my golf game and the better I played, the money would take care of itself," he said. "If I had that trophy on the shelf, the money would come with it."
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DA1639F931A35751C0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3

"We were close to bankruptcy, and it was shocking to Jack," said Richard Bellinger, chief operating officer of Golden Bear International. "I remember him telling me that for the first time in his life he was having trouble sleeping. He was having shortness of breath, basically anxiety attacks. The weight was tremendous."

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I give him absolute credit for working himself out of his St Andrews NY problems, but come on, enough of the we played for the trophies stuff. Ben Hogan yes, Palmer started the modern Sports Agent era and Nicklaus profited from it and almost lost his shirt from it.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2008, 09:20:52 PM by Mike Sweeney »

Kalen Braley

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 09:19:09 PM »
Tommy,

I'm curious which point he makes that's a good one.  I've read it a few times and can't find anything with merit.

Kalen

PThomas

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2008, 10:14:36 PM »
wow...the article says he had $150 million in liabilities!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 11:14:26 PM »
Tommy,

I'm curious which point he makes that's a good one.  I've read it a few times and can't find anything with merit.

Kalen

Kalen,  The TOUR has been lucrative for many of the fringe players.  I think that there are a bunch of guys out there who look for good pay days more than "digging it in the dirt" to win.  That does not mean that there is not good competition because there are many who do the work necessary to win,  but I think that at on Sunday a bunch of guys worry more about the check than about winning.  I have no proof and neither does Jack.  It is just conjecture.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Steve Okula

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 03:00:21 PM »
With all due repect to Jack, what does he mean by "gut it out"? Sleep under a bridge?

It seems to me like more money circulating around the Tour means that more young guys can make enough to hang in there and develop their skills, gain experience, and realize their full potential. We'll never know how much great talent was wasted because guys had about six months to make it or break it on the Tour.

I can't imagine that a young pro can be driven enough to make the Tour, no mean feat, and then once there decide that all he wants to do is play for 20th place.
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the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

jeffwarne

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Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 03:48:36 PM »
Wait until Tiger goes curmudgeon and says Jack only played for top 10's and second places. ;)
After all, he finished second in majors more than he won.

156 players tee it up, they don't all win-doesn't mean they played for fifth
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tonyt

Re: Just being curmudgeonly again? Or right on the money?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 04:48:23 PM »
There are weeks when the older players come through. And stretches when a Kenny Perry can light it up for a really good purple patch.

Then there are other stretches when Anthony Kim lights it up for some weeks. Or Tiger Woods. Or even when Ben Curtis or Shaun Micheel won majors.

Or another angle on Curtis' win, people then wondered if The Open had terminal cancer for the opposite reason to what Jack is speaking of now.

Sometimes, people use the most recent five minutes to declare world changing trends. Even though completely opposite trends will have happened a few weeks before and will happen in a few week's time.

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