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JLahrman

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Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2008, 10:13:28 AM »
Jeff, can you explain the numbering system for tennis players?  How high do the numbers go, what numbers are the top pro players, etc.? 

http://ww3.telerama.com/~johnv/tennis/tennis17.htm

Jim, see the above link.  I've been playing tennis for about four years now and am a 3.0, pushing to get to a 3.5.  I wish I had started the game earlier (I am 33 now).  I played basketball for about 20 years but have essentially given it up - too hard to find nine other guys at about the same level as me.  Tennis is a great substitute for many of the reasons Jeff describes.  I only need to find one other person to play, I can play for free at the park (although I do play at a club as well), it's good exercise, and while it is a hard game to master it is relatively easy to become decent enough to enjoy.  I also feel tennis has lots of skills from other sports that translate quite well.  The footwork is very very similar to playing defense in basketball, and playing golf gave me a headstart on my forehand.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2008, 10:26:28 AM »
Can any of you compare Har-Tru clay with natural clay courts?  Norwood Hills just installed a full set of Har-Tru and it makes me want to play again.

The one reason I was so excited about the possibility of the indoor golf course in Biloxi was that indoor tennis is one of the great sporting joys.  One of my first jobs was for the government and my boss always insisted on playing tennis in the morning during the winter and golf in the afternoon during summer.  Always take a hard look at a government job if you can get it.

JWinick

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Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2008, 11:29:51 AM »
Har-tru is a better more consistent version of clay.   Typically, they play about the same, but there seems to be some more inconsistency with a clay surface.   

John Kavanaugh

Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2008, 11:33:11 AM »
That is exciting...now I just need to find a guy to play in St. Louis who doesn't bitch about cut shots.

Phil Benedict

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Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2008, 11:38:01 AM »
I think Har-Tru is a faster than European red clay.  They played several US Opens on Har-Tru at Forest Hills before the move to Flushing.  Connors beat Borg in the finals in '76 on Har-Tru.  He never came close to Borg in Paris or Rome or any other tournament play on red clay.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2008, 05:02:11 PM »
the most over rated engineering school in the country is in Terre Haute.

And to think I was this close [  ----->  <-----  ] to going to that school JK and playing Div III golf!
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John Kavanaugh

Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2008, 05:16:08 PM »
the most over rated engineering school in the country is in Terre Haute.

And to think I was this close [  ----->  <-----  ] to going to that school JK and playing Div III golf!

And I was this close [weed = grades/(3.14 * ounces per month) > Dad building them a building] to going to that school and being a four sport letterman.

SL_Solow

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Re: Golf v. Tennis
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2008, 05:34:35 PM »
Confession; former competitive tennis player with a substandard serve (actually better after I stopped playing seriously/teaching).   The differences in surfaces are magnified as the level of tennis gets better.  Grass, if well maintained, is not too tough at lower speeds.  However the ball tends to skid on powerful shots making it a very fast game.

There is a major difference between har tru/rubico courts and common red clay found in Europe with Italian clay even slower than that found in France.  Part of this depends on the amount of top surface.  If a club puts down too much har tru it slows the court down.  Also the europeans used to play with balls with less compression (save the obvous wisecracks please).  In the old days, the combination of slow courts and "soft balls" essentially removed the serve from the game and made approaching the net very difficult.

Hard courts vary with the construction.  For example, the tennis center in Kalamazoo where the National Juniors were always played was quite slick with lower skidding bounces than you find at places like Flushing Meadows.  However they all have very true bounces.

Notwithstanding these differences, they do not compare in architectural diversity with golf courses.  The dimensions are always the same. 

The biggest differences in the evolution of the game has been caused by equipment.  The larger headed better balanced rackets have allowed players to use Western forehand grips and the two handed backhand to hit tremendous topspin ground strokes and serve returns that were impossible for all but a few (e.g. Laver using mostly a continental and sometimes eastern grip).  Combined with the increased serve speed (again exceptions e.g. Gonzales, Tanner, Sangster etc) makes it almost impossible to get to net behind serve even on grass. A server like Federer would have followed his serve all the time. (see Talbert and Olds; The Game of Singles in Tennis, a brilliant but sadly outmoded study of tennis tactics) This has led to tactics closer to those used by Kramer in the late 40's than those used by Laver in the late 60's being prevalent.

I'm not sure which I like better, but Laver hitting with rackets of this type would have been something to see.  The vaunted rpms on Nadal's groundstrokes would have been in serious danger.

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