Was St.Andrews the urban planning model?

[Peter Wagner]

I was just thinking about the issues with courses ringed by homes from a design standpoint.  We all see the developer's goal of maximizing profit and using the course to achieve that but what if we gave them alternatives that were more golfer friendly.  I'm stuck on the idea of somehow including commercial real estate and that in turn has me think of a "new plan" that nobody has ever seen before!

The New Plan is to split the property into two chunks with the golf course by itself on the left and a neighborhood on the right.  Run a street between the two chunks, have a main street of small commercial in the middle  your residential, and have the whole thing golf cart friendly.  Ah I'm a genius!  Nobody has ever come up with this before!  Er, wait a minute... wasn't this tried once before at a place called... what was that name? 




Hmm, brilliant work genius.

I wonder if St. Andrews offered us a really good urban planning lesson for golf communities but that we've largely missed it in the U.S.?

- Peter

[Rich Goodale]

Great idea, Peter, if you're willing to give away the seaside property for free.....

[Melvyn Morrow]

Peter

Last night on UK TV there was a program on the best 10 coast towns to live – St Andrews was one – but it’s not cheap. The white property to the right of Old Tom’s shop was on the market, the year before last at offers over £3.5 million based upon the Scottish system that could be anything from 33% to 60% above the offer price.

I love St Andrews, but its special, the courses are away from the town, I wish all golf courses could be built that way. New developments that pinch or compromise the land in favour of the saleability of houses are not ideal for a course. Because for a quick profit the golf course, the designer and golfer is being penalised into accepting land not really suitable for golf. Tees and Greens should be adjacent to each, within an easy walk.

It would be nice to believe that St Andrews could be the urban planning model but alas money speaks.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Are you sure you don't mean something like this....



I used this picture for an essay in Paul Daley's upcoming book.

[Jeff_Mingay]

Are you sure you don't mean something like this....



I used this picture for an essay in Paul Daley's upcoming book.

Heresy 

 

[Peter Wagner]

Mike,
You left out the backyard swimming pools.  Except for that this is sure to be a winner.
- Peter

[RJ_Daley]

Yikes, that gives a whole new meaning to the 'Shepards Crook'.  Maybe the rising R.E. cobra...

[paul cowley]

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[paul cowley]

Are you sure you don't mean something like this....



I used this picture for an essay in Paul Daley's upcoming book.

I'm not sure of this....why would you want to put a giant seahorse in between the courses at St Andrews?

I'm not thinking I'm understanding its purpose.

[TEPaul]

"I'm not sure of this....why would you want to put a giant seahorse in between the courses at St Andrews?"


Pauley:

Because giant seahorses are really cool and they bring out the child in all of us. By the way, that post of yours above that consists of a single period just could be the most profound post I've ever seen on GOLFCLUBATLAS.com. I'm still considering it VERY carefully.

[paul cowley]

TP and Kelly....sorry about my late response, but I have been traveling.....and exploring relationships....both personal and spatial...and the period was my best yet attempt to define the essence and many meanings of a period or dot.

Now the seahorse is also an exploration of the spacial, but in the totally reverse direction....truly a three dimensional horse of a different color!

I find this fascinating...how about you?

Have you ever noticed the similarities between a question mark and a seahorse?

Well I have for quite some time.

Maybe tomorrow I'll start a thread on just that!.....?

[Tony Ristola]

Mike,

Where's the pond?
I want an "A" lot, looking over the pond to the course, and then to the sea.
Way cool.