[Kyle Harris]

...and what makes for a fair  putting challenge?

[Kyle Harris]

By this I mean, what makes a green contour be considered undulating and therefore "fair" and when do those undulations become so small that it becomes bumpy and "unfair?"

Are there any greens with a lot of very small contour changes that make for a lot of small breaks?

[Tommy Williamsen]

I realize this is not a green but this is one of the greatest fairways in the UK.  Probably bumpy.

[Dean Paolucci]

Kyle - I submit the Dolomites (8th hole) at Somersett Hills is a shinning example of a green with many small interior mounds creating many breaks yet very fair. - DEAN

[Kyle Harris]

I realize this is not a green but this is one of the greatest fairways in the UK.  Probably bumpy.

If a green were to proportionally look that way, would it be accepted as a unique challenge or gimmicky?

Does the need for a 3-4 foot level area around a hole location eliminate some quirk from the game or does it protect the game's challenges?

[Joe Hancock]

Kyle,

That landscape might not be mowable at green height even in it's present scale, but I still understand what you're saying.

I don't think often in terms of fairness. I think almost everything is fair, so long as to be able to keep the ball in play and the hole is able to be completed.

Using that landscape as a large scale example of what you're talking about, I like the idea. It provides possible hidden doors, if you will, to get where you're going without it being an obvious direct route. It kind of combines the idea of hidden routes (think old school Super Mario Brothers) with the the entire landscape before your eyes. The secrets to getting where your going is only limited by your imagination.

Joe

[Sean_A]

Kyle,

That landscape might not be mowable at green height even in it's present scale, but I still understand what you're saying.

I don't think often in terms of fairness. I think almost everything is fair, so long as to be able to keep the ball in play and the hole is able to be completed.

Using that landscape as a large scale example of what you're talking about, I like the idea. It provides possible hidden doors, if you will, to get where you're going without it being an obvious direct route. It kind of combines the idea of hidden routes (think old school Super Mario Brothers) with the the entire landscape before your eyes. The secrets to getting where your going is only limited by your imagination.

Joe

Crazy Joe

But a green like this could only work if you kept the grass growing.  Imagine this thing running at 10?  Stupid comes to mind.

Ciao

[cary lichtenstein]

North Palm Beach Golf Club here in Florida is a perfect example of a course that is too bumpy and many areas that just aren't puttable.

Worst set of greens that JN ever did with the intent to do something special.

[JC Jones]

It kind of combines the idea of hidden routes (think old school Super Mario Brothers) with the the entire landscape before your eyes.

Joe

FINALLY.  Finally someone is able to explain things in terms that I understand.  You really get me, Joe, you really do.

[Jon Wiggett]

Kyle,

the concept fair pushed to its limits leads to dull and boring golf as does the concept unfair. While I don't think there is any merit in trying to build 'unfair' I also think that interest should have the overriding priority. Highly contoured greens lead to interesting putting challenges but are also not capable of being mown as short. I don't think all greens on a course should have lots of movement but every course should have a good number of high movement greens.

Fairness is not as important as interest but the challenge should be solvable at least some of the time by all standards of golfer. I played a Colt course over the weekend which had bunkers that were rock hard (no sand). It was still possible to play out of them but it was tough.

Green becomes to bumpy when it becomes unplayable but this is rarely the case, as the Ladies Putting Green at St. Andrews shows.

[John Chilver-Stainer]

Beat me to it -
 

Here the ladies putting green



will the new Gil Hanse putting green at the USGA officially define the limits for the American golfer?

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