[paul cowley]

I think that at certain junctures they have much in common with their choices and their realities.

The initial interest and focus is exciting....how could it not be.

When one becomes more experienced, the excitement lessens and the daily focus becomes....well, more day to day.

I feel that relief comes when one begins to discover that the focus is not so much about the dirt or whatever is at at hand....but instead comes from a renewed appreciation of another larger but harder to define reality....which combines to create a new harmony as a result.

 

[Gary Daughters]

Put utherwise similar stylistic yearnings?

[Brad Klein]

When we opened Wintonbury Hills GC in June 2003, after 8 1/2 years, 1,000 meetings, 3 bond referenda, countless site visits and $11.3 million, a member of the press asked me if I was excited about the event. I said I felt exhausted, like after (I'm presuming here) a long, difficult pregnancy with twins.

[John Moore II]

And both have to work sometimes with stuff they would rather leave alone, but have to work with it anyway.....hmmmm...

[paul cowley]

Brad....I had no idea, but share your pain.

We are 10 years into a course in the boondog Catskills.

It might break ground next year.

[Tom_Doak]

Brad:

I understand that feeling.  By the time I'm being congratulated for a Best New Award like Sebonack's, we've been on to other things for quite some time and the excitement is somewhere else.

But, I still get excited ... I guess that's why I could never be a gynecologist.

[Dan Herrmann]

Archies - Just keep in mind the joy you give us schmucks out there long after you're onto new projects.  Sorry for being so saccharine, but it's true.

[Joe Hancock]

But, I still get excited ... I guess that's why I could never be a gynecologist.

That's why I can't go out in public.....

[paul cowley]

Brad:

I understand that feeling.  By the time I'm being congratulated for a Best New Award like Sebonack's, we've been on to other things for quite some time and the excitement is somewhere else.

But, I still get excited ... I guess that's why I could never be a gynecologist.

....try not to ever say never....as a worse case scenario I think you would be a supurb gynecologist.

[cary lichtenstein]

Perhaps a gynecologist gave Coore and Crenshaw their idea for shaggy bunkers??

[Michael Dugger]

Perhaps a gynecologist gave Coore and Crenshaw their idea for shaggy bunkers??

HHAHHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa 

That's kinda funny.

[W.H. Cosgrove]

So Brad and other developer/designers what is the feeling as your baby grows and matures? 

I know brad has been seen at Wintonberry, after the exhaustion fades what is your sense of the accomplishment? T. Doak when you return to a course you designed and built how do you see and feel about it? 

[Brad Klein]

"Gynocologists" is the wrong analogy since they have no sustained emotional attachment to the object of their delivery. More like parents. Always amazingly proud, a bit more critical than an average person but also respectful as to when to bring it up, and also expecting more as well.

Invariably as I walk up the 18th at Wintonbury I'm incredibly proud of what we did with our little muni.

[paul cowley]

 

[Mike_Young]

Height of cut  has decreased and width of fairway has decreased in both of these professions.....

[cary lichtenstein]

Long thin narrow fairways are in

[cary lichtenstein]

Another commonality as Mike Young points out is the height of cut on the fairways.

Also on the greens, as they become shaved down to 1/32 nd of an inch, it can put a great deal of stress not only on the greens themselves, but on the other player.

This can stress out the best putter and sometimes it is best to rest the putter and the green for a couple of days to let them recover.

[TEPaul]

"I think that at certain junctures they have much in common with their choices and their realities."


Pheww: At first I thought you said proctologists and golf course designers.

[Robert "Cliff" Stanfield]

Unfortunately they both have to look at some really bad sites sometimes.

[Robert "Cliff" Stanfield]

Since I am on a roll.

Just because it looks good doesnt mean its fun to play.  Too often it means that its just expensive to maintain and will eventually change ownership/management.

[Jay Flemma]

Honestly, guys...I think doctors should get a drop more credit than we might be giving them...one of my friends summed it up perfectly..."A knee is a case, a bone is a case, a breast is a case, a vulva is a case."

They all must be treated, as Ian Fleming wrote on this same topic, "coldly and professionally."  To me, a band is a case, not a toy, not a bunch of people to mentor or impress, it's work...prurient thoughts never come into play, there's no place for that in the legitimate business world.  Sure we get excited when we have a great album or film, but there's so much to think about, so many docs to draft, I agree with Tom d., the excitement bubbles below the surface when you know you have something special, but, and back to macro for he bigger pic here... whatever job seems "sexy," actually is a job like any other and has its own trade offs and drawbacks.

Sorry Paul, but the thought of a prurient gyno struggling with demons is just too L.C.D. for me:)

[paul cowley]

...whoa guys...I find we are way OT...probably my bad.

I was going to title this thread " a Post Card from the fringe....a Golf Design Pilgrims ongoing Thoughts and Reflections".

...but instead [while having a sexually related thought....which I don't feel is abnormal, as I once read a report that males have a sexually related thought every every 18 minutes on average...Kinsley probably] gynecology slipped into my mind as an analogy.

I have never been to one myself, but alot of my friends go, and they seem like nice guy and girl professionals....probably a few good golfers amongst the bunch, but now I'm getting OT too..

I'm thinking as a result I might rename this thread "A Golf Pilgrims Progress, Women's Private Parts and thoughts of Sex"

 

[paul cowley]

Oh, and welcome back Cliff....where you been?

[cary lichtenstein]

Since I am on a roll.

Just because it looks good doesnt mean its fun to play.  Too often it means that its just expensive to maintain and will eventually change ownership/management.

Sometimes, if you disturb the shrubbery too much, the ownership can get angry with the previous occupant

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