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John Kavanaugh

Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2008, 10:39:53 AM »
A few years ago Doak said it was hack when architects carried spines onto green contours.  Do these pictures suggest that he has revised this position?

Norbert P

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Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2008, 10:10:47 PM »
 The principal executive in this development is Bill Foley. If he is the same person as William P. Foley, II, he's got quite a fiducial background, and as a golfer.

William P. Foley, II is Chairman of the Board, Fidelity National Financial Inc. ...

www.fnf.com/FNF/AboutFNF/ExecBios/Foley.htm   

"Despite his numerous professional and philanthropic commitments, Bill is an accomplished golfer, who was ranked in 2004 by Golf Digest as one of top five executive golfers in the world."

As some of you may know, Montana is in the midst of massive economic and cultural changes.  Whereas, just decades ago they had one of the highest per capita incomes in America, now is 49th of 50.  Mining has poisoned water tables, old dams are dangerously precarious, trees have been shaven, and topsoils have been carried away, agriculture is unprofitable, etc. 
  The people coming in are generally out-of-staters building second homes, not tax-paying full time residents and not working, but recreating. Nothing wrong with that except that all the land speculation has driven home and land prices out of reach to many Montanans. 

In the Rock Creek website it makes some effort to explain their mission to not let the acreage become massively overbuilt and keeping expansion under control.   Even to keep most of the acreage for cattle ranching.

  It's an emotional issue for Montanans, as I'm sure they don't want to lose their identity as ruggedly individualistic and self-sovereign, and probably fear becoming service employees of fly-in bedroom communities.   But, since the mining and lumber industries have pretty much raped the state and run away, any positive speculation can't be bad. 

Anyway, their ABOUT US link and NEWS links were interesting to me.



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Dave_Wilber

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Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2008, 02:23:52 AM »
I have to say that I'm really proud of what's gone on there at the hands of Isaac Farabaugh, superintendent for the grow-in and construction and now with Mat Dunmyer, who takes over as Isaac goes on to project manage Mr. Foley's other work.

I was there in September with Mat and it was just off the hook. I spent the whole time saying...Wow.  over and over..Wow.

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Ryan Farrow

Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2008, 03:23:40 PM »
The principal executive in this development is Bill Foley. If he is the same person as William P. Foley, II, he's got quite a fiducial background, and as a golfer.

William P. Foley, II is Chairman of the Board, Fidelity National Financial Inc. ...

www.fnf.com/FNF/AboutFNF/ExecBios/Foley.htm   

"Despite his numerous professional and philanthropic commitments, Bill is an accomplished golfer, who was ranked in 2004 by Golf Digest as one of top five executive golfers in the world."

As some of you may know, Montana is in the midst of massive economic and cultural changes.  Whereas, just decades ago they had one of the highest per capita incomes in America, now is 49th of 50.  Mining has poisoned water tables, old dams are dangerously precarious, trees have been shaven, and topsoils have been carried away, agriculture is unprofitable, etc. 
  The people coming in are generally out-of-staters building second homes, not tax-paying full time residents and not working, but recreating. Nothing wrong with that except that all the land speculation has driven home and land prices out of reach to many Montanans. 

In the Rock Creek website it makes some effort to explain their mission to not let the acreage become massively overbuilt and keeping expansion under control.   Even to keep most of the acreage for cattle ranching.

  It's an emotional issue for Montanans, as I'm sure they don't want to lose their identity as ruggedly individualistic and self-sovereign, and probably fear becoming service employees of fly-in bedroom communities.   But, since the mining and lumber industries have pretty much raped the state and run away, any positive speculation can't be bad. 

Anyway, their ABOUT US link and NEWS links were interesting to me.






Slag did you read Jared Diamond’s "Collapse". He devoted a long long chapter about the problems facing Montana; you seemed to hit all of them. It should be interesting to see how to Rock Creek development fits in.

Is there any word if they are getting a caddy program started there?

Craig Sweet

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Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2008, 05:18:28 PM »
Ryan...funny you should mention "Collapse"...Slag and I discussed this, as well as the Great Missoula Flood(s) after our round of golf last week. 

This is arid country...Missoula's precip. is 13" per year, mostly coming in winter....Deer Lodge is probably no wetter....yet we are trying to support golf courses, agriculture, tremendous home developments, and water quality for fish....all with a limited supply of water....the battles have already begun.  How this will turn out is anyone's guess and as Diamond points out there are many factors that make us "blind" to our own demise. 

As for caddies at RCCC...I have no idea where they will find anyone out there...I am sure most of their maintenance is being done by imported labor.

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Ryan Farrow

Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2008, 01:00:06 AM »
Craig, we seemed to get plenty of the local Deer Lodge crowd to help us out during construction. I can't image that many rounds a year, so it could be possible to get enough young kids to support a small program. Walking the course with a bag was a pretty nice workout so I can't see many people walking, but it would be an enjoyable round with a caddy.

It seems that the course will always have a decent supply of fresh water from the snow melt. Do you have an average yearly snowfall #? I know spring time was pretty wet and we were pushed back a bit during construction. But after that we did not get a drop for weeks on end. And then came fire season.

And to put that 13" in perspective we get about 7" in the desert here in AZ.

Craig Sweet

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Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2008, 09:12:01 AM »
Ryan...73 inches in Anaconda...and 14" precip. for the year....202 days where the temp. drops below 32 degreesF.....

Where RCCC is might be a tad bit drier and a tad bit warmer than Anaconda....most of the water for irrigation is dependent upon snow pack in the mountains....The Flint Range is not the snowiest.....the Ranch probably has more than adequate water rights.

I'm surprised you found much of a labor pool in DL....but then it doesn't take much of a turn down in the economy to hurt a small town like that...thank god for the prison.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Rock Creek Cattle Co. Photo's
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2008, 10:29:44 AM »
Craig:

There is a VERY healthy mountain lake at the top of Rock Creek, which is part of the property ... it is a beautiful spot although it is a very long drive on a bumpy road to get up there.  Anyway, that's the water source for the golf course, and I don't think it is likely to run dry anytime soon.

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