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Matthew Hunt

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Diagonal Tees
« on: December 12, 2006, 01:07:23 PM »
 I was thinking that instead of adding pure length on to a course as you progress back the Tees you also increase the angle into the fairway. This would save space and force better players to shape the ball.

Take two options on an Average Par 4

Distance Option

Red-350y-centre
Yellow-375y-centre
White-400y-centre
Blue-425y-centre
Black-450y-centre


Distance + Angle Option

Red-350y-5y off centre
Yellow-365y-10y off centre
White-380y-15y off centre
Blue-395y-20y off centre
Black-410y-25y off centre
« Last Edit: December 12, 2006, 01:07:48 PM by Matthew Hunt »

Scott Szabo

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 01:41:36 PM »
Matthew, I love the diagonal tee.  It presents many more options IMO.  I remember the championship tee on #5 at Sand Hills set off behind the 4th green.  Totally changes the hole.
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Jordan Wall

Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 05:06:55 PM »
Matthew,

See Ran's course profile on Black Mesa
 :)

BCrosby

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 08:22:53 AM »
Diagoal tees are a very good thing.

In fact, almost any diagonal feature can be a good thing. As long as it is not over-used.

Bob

Dan Kelly

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 10:26:34 AM »
And they'd speed play, I think -- making it easier for each player in a mixed-gender and mixed-ability group to use the proper tee for him or her.
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
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ed_getka

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2006, 11:38:19 AM »
Matthew,
   I love the use of diagonals in golf. However, I don't know that the tee shot will force shaping of the ball all that much, as the golfer will simply pick the point on the diagonal they can reach and then try to hit it there. Shaping is a dying art, other than the "shape" that our swing produces. :)
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Adam Clayman

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 01:23:59 PM »
Matthew,
 Having had loads of experience on lesser courses, before ever being exposed to some of the greats, I can honestly recall how the use of diagonal bunkering, caused me to have to think, for the first time, on the golf course about strategy.

 Introducing strategy to a newer golfer is in my narrow view, the diagonal's highest function.

 It wasn't until I played Cypress Point did I understand they were all stolen concepts.   ;)

However, the use of natural diagonals, ala the 8th at Pebble Beach, likely preceded Mac's use of a string of bunkers, ala  #2 and #5 (?) at CPC.

The original 11th hole at Pinon Hills, from the back tees, is one of the best uses of a natural diagonal during the dark ages of gca (mid-late 80's). Even Desmond's use at that So Cal course quail ridge? ( I can never remember that name) is a top notch use of terrain.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Matthew Hunt

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 04:28:42 PM »
Bump

Brian Phillips

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 05:03:14 PM »
Matthew,

Do you have Forrest's book about routing the golf course?

There he calculates the added yardage in relation to the angle of the dogleg...this is also fascinating.

Brian
« Last Edit: December 26, 2007, 05:05:23 PM by Brian Phillips »
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Kalen Braley

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 07:09:46 PM »
The Pythagorean Theorem could be easily used here to find the new distance, a2 + b2 = c2...that is providing the fairway is more or less straight.

Matthew Hunt

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 10:29:58 AM »
Matthew,

Do you have Forrest's book about routing the golf course?

There he calculates the added yardage in relation to the angle of the dogleg...this is also fascinating.

Brian

No, itts one of the many GCA books I'd like to get, is it good?

Lester George

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2007, 03:01:26 PM »
I do it evry chance I get when it makes the hole more interesting.

Lester

Phil Benedict

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Re:Diagonal Tees
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 03:10:31 PM »
In certain circumstances enlarging the fairway angle makes the tee shot easier, because your drive approaches the fairway width-wise rather than length-wise - presents a huge target.  I find forced carry shots to angled fairways among the easiest to execute - the bigger the angle the better.

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