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TEPaul

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2007, 07:04:59 AM »
The more I think about it the more I realize Shinnecock, NGLA and Sebonac just may turn out to be the most unique and perhaps the greatest immediately contiguous three separate golf club setup in the world.

Where else are there three separate golf clubs that are as immediately juxtaposed, contiguous in fact, than these three?

I predict that in less than five years all concerned, including Shinnecock and NGLA, will come to realize that Sebonac is the best thing that could've ever happened to them.

What other long term situation could be better than the existence of Sebonac GC for Shinnecock and NGLA, other than perhaps just open land for evermore which is of course totally unrealistic unless Shinnecock or NGLA, or both, simply bought the land and kept it that way?

Remember, you heard it here first! Cut out this post with the date on it Mark, and place it into the Sebonac archives! Actually, cut out the one above it too that quotes that remark by "Sebonac".  ;)

« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 07:09:42 AM by TEPaul »
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JESII

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2007, 09:16:09 AM »
Why do you say that Tom?

Also, is Southampton GC not viewed as contiguous to the other three?
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Adam Clayman

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2007, 10:37:29 AM »
Sully, I'm not speaking for Tom, but, the inference I picked up on was having another course is much better than most of the likely possibe alternatives. From wind farms to condos, another golf course gaurantees that land will stay mostly natural in it's overall appearence.

Also, it is similar to the restraunt phenomenon. A new one opening across the street is good thing. Only a small picture person would fear that the competition will hurt their business. When in reality it helps.
 
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JESII

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2007, 10:41:43 AM »
Adam,

Agree about the wind farms, but as to competition...I don't think Shinnecock or National are necessarily looking to attract any attention...in 20 years Sebonack won't either...
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John Kavanaugh

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2007, 10:45:11 AM »
Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?  
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JESII

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2007, 10:50:46 AM »
Yes...especially if 13,500 of them come between Labor Day and Memorial Day...
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TEPaul

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2007, 10:59:40 AM »
"Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?"

Yeah, John, it can be a little tricky out there around those clubs negotiating one's way around convoys of fast moving RRs, Bentleys, Mercedes, BMWs, Hummers, Masseratis and Ferraris but one gets the hang of it and those who live and play out there are used to it.  
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Eric Franzen

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2007, 11:00:13 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 09, 2007, 10:45:11 AM
Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?  

You will turn left for Sebonack one or two exits earlier from the main road than NGLA and Shinneock. You are not allowed to turn left at that exit a couple of hours in the mornings (weekdays), if I remember right.  Then you will have to pass Shinnecock and NGLA.
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Kalen Braley

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2007, 11:10:58 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 09, 2007, 10:45:11 AM
Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?  

JK,

You sly little "access" devil you.  I'm sure if you offer your services at a discount for a road expansion, the members at each of those courses will be grateful in more ways than one.  ;)
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John Kavanaugh

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2007, 11:13:25 AM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 09, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 09, 2007, 10:45:11 AM
Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?  

JK,

You sly little "access" devil you.  I'm sure if you offer your services at a discount for a road expansion, the members at each of those courses will be grateful in more ways than one.  ;)

Kalen,

You still don't get it...People ask me to play their courses not the other way around.  I just turned down an offer to play NGLA in favor of a SEC football game.  Who wouldn't.  
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Kalen Braley

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2007, 11:15:46 AM »
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 09, 2007, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 09, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: John Kavanaugh on November 09, 2007, 10:45:11 AM
Can Sebonack do 15,000 rounds per year and the members of the other courses not be affected by the additional traffic on the roads?  

JK,

You sly little "access" devil you.  I'm sure if you offer your services at a discount for a road expansion, the members at each of those courses will be grateful in more ways than one.  ;)

Kalen,

You still don't get it...People ask me to play their courses not the other way around.  I just turned down an offer to play NGLA in favor of a SEC football game.  Who wouldn't.  

I wouldn't....

But then again I'm a west coast guy and don't really care about the SEC.  I may find it hard to turn down an invite to a Cal/USC or Cal/Stanford game.    :D
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John Kavanaugh

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2007, 11:17:08 AM »
In all seriousness. If I am an existing member of a club I do not see the benefit of more courses being more better.  From what I understand the infrastructure in that area of the country is already at a breaking point.

I do not believe for a second that Dismal or Ballyneal have done Sand Hills a bit of good and have said in the past that they have gone so far to dilute the value of Sand Hills.  I am a small person I just try not to project it to people who refuse to admit to being one too.
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JESII

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2007, 11:19:08 AM »
Well then...15,000 small person rounds would have very little effect on the surrounding infrastructure...
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Mark Hissey

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2007, 02:25:14 PM »
Part of the Environmental Impact Statement was a traffic study. It was determined that a private golf course had by far the least impact on the road use of the area than any other proposal.
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KBanks

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2007, 07:27:59 PM »
This thread calls to mind the famous line from Frost's Mending Wall: good fences make good neighbours.

Ken
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Brian Brown

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2007, 10:54:04 PM »



This picture is one additional view of NGLA and Sebonic's clubhouse's.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2007, 10:54:47 PM by Brian Brown »
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James Bennett

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2007, 11:50:47 PM »
Quote from: Robert Mercer Deruntz on November 07, 2007, 10:14:26 PM



We have all seen Aidan Bradley's great photography, catching the light and the passing clouds.  Some might say that a sows ear can be turned into a silk purse with a good photo.  Sometimes, alternate weather conditions just happen (as per the photo above) and a different image arises, perhaps implying a darker side of a silk purse.

The feeling of the clubhouse in Brian Brown's sunny photo is quite different to Robert Mercer Deruntz's.  The grey, stormy clouds in Robert's picture convey a feeling of '1313 Mockingbird Lane'.  :D

Thanks for the pics.

James B
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TEPaul

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2007, 08:27:16 AM »
All I can say about that new clubhouse at Sebonac is that before I die I want to get up in that cupola on a beautiful June day as the sun is setting and smoke some dope (and I don't even smoke dope). Can you BELIEVE how Hegalian that would be?  
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Andrew Cunningham

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2007, 11:04:48 AM »


The aforementioned first hole.  I thought it was a perfect introduction to what is a very enjoyable golf course.  I especially appreciated the option of hitting a long iron off the first tee and getting off to an easy start.  After sinking a five footer I had visions of a career round at this most special place on perhaps the most glorious day of 2007.  Then....



came the treachrous 454 yard 2nd.....



with plenty of trouble off the tee....



and a diabolical green when you finally arrive.  So much for a career round.

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Patrick_Mucci

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2007, 05:14:41 PM »
Quote from: Mark Hissey on November 09, 2007, 02:25:14 PM

Part of the Environmental Impact Statement was a traffic study. It was determined that a private golf course had by far the least impact on the road use of the area than any other proposal.


Mark,

I find the need for a road use study mind boggling since left turns off of Rt 27 East are generally prohibited.

That road was primarily used for a short cut when Rt 27 got backed up, east or west bound.

The town also blocked egress and access at the eastern end where Sebonac Road reconnects with Rt 27, so I don't understand the NEED for a road use study.

The only people using the road are residents of the area, delivery and trades people and shortcut takers, and once the shortcutters were cutoff, who uses the road ?[/color]
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Brian Brown

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2007, 05:21:17 PM »
The turn from Rt 27 was only limited from 0700hrs to 0900hrs.  With the newest plan the town has no left turns will be permitted at all.
  The largest problem with the short cut was the trades people.  The residents of the area were not happy that this was being used as an alternative to the main road.  
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George Pazin

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2007, 05:31:38 PM »
Thanks as always, Mark, for responding concisely with facts.
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SPDB

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2007, 05:33:35 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Cunningham on November 13, 2007, 11:04:48 AM





I have never played Sebonack. Are those tee markers in the picture above?
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Kyle Harris

Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2007, 05:45:17 PM »
Quote from: Brian Brown on November 12, 2007, 10:54:04 PM



This picture is one additional view of NGLA and Sebonic's clubhouse's.

THAT'S A PROBLEM!?
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Andrew Cunningham

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Re:NGLA's other new view
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2007, 06:54:15 PM »
Yes they are forward tee markers without the formal definition of a "box."
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