The Old Dead Guys and womanizing????

« **on:** September 15, 2007, 11:22:45 PM »

I am reading the book "Loving Frank" which is about Frank Lloyd Wright and his mistress/lover etc. My question is....to you ODG historians....were any of the Old Dead Guys bigtime womanizers/porkers....just wondering....What did ol donald keep in that railcar?

« **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2007, 11:30:59 PM »

Mike,

Don't get me started on Dev Emmett and Teddy Roosevelt.

Is there any wonder that big guy (and poor golfer) Taft won the next election?

« **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2007, 11:34:32 PM »

Well, Jeeez, Mike, have you never heard of the so-called "hen-house" of C.B Macdonald's at his large estate overlooking NGLA?

« **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2007, 11:37:05 PM »

Quote from: TEPaul on September 15, 2007, 11:34:32 PM

Well, Jeeez, Mike, have you never heard of the so-called "hen-house" of C.B Macdonald's at his large estate overlooking NGLA?

Tom,

I thought Macdonald established the ill-reputed HenHouse behind the 6th green at Merion?

The only reported problem as I understood it was that you couldn't see the HenHouse very well from the Alps 10th green.

« **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2007, 12:43:51 AM »

Quote from: MikeCirba on September 15, 2007, 11:37:05 PM

I thought Macdonald established the ill-reputed HenHouse behind the 6th green at Merion?

Hen house? I thought it was the whole farm.

Everywhere a cluck-cluck, baybee.

« **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2007, 05:58:19 AM »

Sorry to report that Ross lived a very quiet and devoted life. Not a whiff of scandal in that regard. I've always argued that he was more productive in terms of output of courses compared to his colleagues/competitors because he was the only one who didn't have a drink until at least 5 p.m. Now we can add another reason to the list; he wasn't carousing at night or sneaking up and down staircases chasing women or trying to race home.

« **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2007, 08:08:24 AM »

Mike
I believe Dr Mackenzie in his 1926 visit to Australia spent a weekend down the Mornington peninsula south of Melbourne reportedly accompanied by a younger lady friend. So I am informed. Whether this makes him a womaniser I'm not sure, but he was a very keen dancer and we all know where that leads!
Neil

« **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2007, 09:28:24 AM »

"Tom,
I thought Macdonald established the ill-reputed HenHouse behind the 6th green at Merion?"

MikeC:

He tried to. It was something of an architectural/life style "prototype" feature on Macdonald's courses like a redan, Eden, Biarritz, ....etc, etc.

Macdonald worked off of a few basic principles with his courses, architectural and otherwise. The "Hen House" concept was under his principle that "A man has to do what a man has to do."

It was not a particularly easy concept to carry off perfectly, however. The "Hen House" itself was not the difficulty----supplying it with really good hens at any particular time was the primary problem.

« **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2007, 09:39:12 AM »

Neil beat me to it. I immediately thought of 'Mackenzie the dancer', too! Funny.

How about contemporary architects and womanizing

« **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2007, 09:44:21 AM »

Reminds me of the old joke:

Q. Why don't (insert name of religious sect here)s allow pre-martial ex?

A, Because it might lead to dancing.

And how about that Marion Hollins?! I hear that she and Dev Emmet had a standing offer to take on all comers.....

« **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2007, 10:03:22 AM »

Richard the Obtuscene:

What is pre-marital ex?

Is that some form of pre-marriage after-the-fact sex without the sizzle?

There's little question in my mind that Marion Hollins and Devie Emmet were very attracted to each other and always wanted to "get it on". The unfortunate thing, however, was despite the fact they were both extremely talented people they could just never figure what to do with each other.

It's sad really when that happens.

« **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2007, 10:07:32 AM »

I've modified it above, Tom. Sorry!

« **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2007, 12:09:57 PM »

Quote from: Brad Klein on September 16, 2007, 05:58:19 AM

Sorry to report that Ross lived a very quiet and devoted life. Not a whiff of scandal in that regard. I've always argued that he was more productive in terms of output of courses compared to his colleagues/competitors because he was the only one who didn't have a drink until at least 5 p.m. Now we can add another reason to the list; he wasn't carousing at night or sneaking up and down staircases chasing women or trying to race home.

Brad -

I had always heard that Ross spent his summers in NE because had woman friend in the Massachusetts. No?

Bob

« **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2007, 07:07:51 PM »

He spent his summers there in Massachusetts with his two wives, first, Janet Ross from 1906 to 1922. In 1923 he spent the summer with his fiance Susie Aldrich in Rome, NY at Teugega CC until she died in late August. Then he met and (re)married Florence Blackinton in Nov. 1924 who owned that house next to Pinehurst No. 2-3rd hole and the compound in Little Compton, R.I. Believe me, I looked and found no evidence of wandering on his part.

« **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2007, 07:10:42 PM »

Brad,
I have seen some sheep in the Pinehurst area that had a knack for drawing golf holes in the dirt.

« **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2007, 07:34:23 PM »

They were ASGCA interns, Mike.

« **Reply #16 on:** September 16, 2007, 08:59:57 PM »

Quote from: Brad Klein on September 16, 2007, 07:34:23 PM

They were ASGCA interns, Mike.

I should have known that.

« **Reply #17 on:** September 16, 2007, 09:17:24 PM »

MacKenzie took up with the captain's wife at one of the Leeds clubs, didn't he?

According to CB Macdonald's grand niece, he kept a house for his mistress at Mid-Ocean:
http://research.yale.edu/wwkelly/Yale-golf/interviews/summaries/041207_Gentry.htm

Mark

« **Reply #18 on:** September 16, 2007, 10:16:10 PM »

Quote from: Mike_Young on September 16, 2007, 08:59:57 PM

Quote from: Brad Klein on September 16, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
They were ASGCA interns, Mike.

I should have known that.

Why are ASGCA past presidents always the last to know!

And, to think they shot down my "more groupies for gca's" presidential theme......

I always thought Ross got re-married a little too quickly....

For that matter, I presume that men of substance in those days probably were more prone to the mistress thing than a modern man might be. As always, I could be wrong.

« **Reply #19 on:** September 16, 2007, 10:27:36 PM »

Jeff,
I thought I saw some of those ASGCA guys sitting in those two bath tubs in the cialis ad during the golf tournament telecast.....How many courses would Ross have done with that stuff?

« **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2007, 01:22:56 AM »

Didn't Mackenzie have an Aboriginal son?

« **Reply #21 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:33:49 PM »

Quote from: Jeff_Brauer on September 16, 2007, 10:16:10 PM

Quote from: Mike_Young on September 16, 2007, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: Brad Klein on September 16, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
They were ASGCA interns, Mike.

I should have known that.

For that matter, I presume that men of substance in those days probably were more prone to the mistress thing than a modern man might be. As always, I could be wrong.

It's hard enough to afford a wife these days, much less a mistress too!

« **Reply #22 on:** September 19, 2007, 05:50:48 PM »

Do you think the Captain was just fishing for tuna on that yatch off Santa Catalina? I remeber reading somewhere that imeadiately following his death, his wife through out all the hybrid roses he had named after mistresses.

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