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Joe Hancock

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"Best" pins
« on: September 10, 2007, 10:36:56 PM »
Do all greens have a "best" pin position? If so, what constitutes "best"?

If a green truly has a "best" pin position, what does that say, if anything, about the overall design of the green? Or, does it say more about the approach shot than it does the green?

Joe
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Ken Moum

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Re:"Best" pins
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 11:14:59 PM »
Quote from: Joe Hancock on September 10, 2007, 10:36:56 PM
Do all greens have a "best" pin position? If so, what constitutes "best"?

If a green truly has a "best" pin position, what does that say, if anything, about the overall design of the green? Or, does it say more about the approach shot than it does the green?

Joe

I would guess that when someone uses that term they are operating under the common misconception these days that good = hard.

As in "That's a good par four." Or "This is a good driving hole."

The "best" hole location is likely to also be the hardest one that meets the standard of being "fair." Never mind that both best and fair are ethereal concepts at best, and neither of them have much to do with enjoying the game, IMHO.

Most greens do have a hole location that is ultimately challenging, but I wouldn't agree that it's the "best" hole location.

Ken
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